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Created: 5 months ago by AlphaWintermute (58) Talk with this user on their Shout Box
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Will it Live or Die? And is it worth it!
Posted 5 months ago

A lot of hype from hardcore gamers and enthusiast has been going around surrounding not so old hard ware company Ageia and their PhysX PPU (Physic Processing Unit). Ageia has been around since 2002 and has recently released their Generation 2 PhysX card. The main question surrounding this revolutionary technology is whether it is needed or not with the new Quad Core processors now on the market. Such games as Unreal Tournament 3, and Ghost Recon: Advanced War Fighter have incorporated this technology enabling them to add more detailed destructive amd regular physics to the game, with Unreal it came in the form of a pretty impressive mod.

The way they work is basically like an additional separate core to run all the physics in game, enabling the GPU to focus on graphics and the cpu to focus on all the background of the game(loading environments, animations whatnot). The card itself runs a standard PCI-E 8x slot, which we are seeing more and more of on boards that already have 2 16x slots, for a total of 3 PCI-E. A lot of explosions and other dramatic physics in games today are handled by pre-rendered animation sequences, something we have been doing with games since Doom. The PhysX card allows these explosions and other collateral damage effects to be ran in real time, accurately displaying what would really happen if say a rocket tore through a large piece of cloth and then smashed into a wall. The cloth would tear, light on fire or get singed a bit, wave around drastically and the wall would end up with a big hole in it with chunks of debris flying everywhere, some maybe into the cloth which would react accordingly. All of this happens without slowing down your CPUor GPU cause its handled by an independent card, the PPU, which gives seamless smooth frame rates through the most intensive situations.

With what video footage I found online and was able to research the PhysX card can drastically increase FPS and general performance of a game even when running with a Quad Core. Sometimes it can lower frame rates in situations where the PhysX effects are taking place compared to the Quad running alone without the affects but I can see this as an acceptable factor given its normally by no more than 5-10 fps, and much more is now going on in the sequence.

Another big issue that Ageia seems to be facing is the fact that the game developers must program the games to work with the Ageia cards and the consumer must purchase yet another piece of hardware. Both things are not that appealing. One thing to note though is the PS3 is already equipped with the PhysX technology which says something of how Sony feels about the company and its new technology.

I'm asking FiringSquad to review these amazing little pieces of equipment and assess the need for them, as well as the assessment of how the general population feels.
Do you think they are worth it?
Do you think they are the future of gaming?
Do you think the game developers with go with the flow of more programing?
Lets here your thoughts people.

External Link: http://www.ageia.com

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Click to view AlphaWintermute's User Page AlphaWintermute (58)  Click to view AlphaWintermute's User Profile Talk to AlphaWintermute in the Shout! Box Dec 15, 2007 - 04:31 pm
» Dont hold out on us!
Ah if only Crysis used PhysX, it might not bring 3 Ultras to their knees. You should get the Unreal Tournament 3 mod that is designed specifically for PhysX.
Let us know how it looks/runs!

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Click to view kenny928's User Page kenny928 (2)  Talk to kenny928 in the Shout! Box Dec 14, 2007 - 01:29 pm | Edited on Dec 14, 2007 - 01:31 pm
» Have it....
And I am using two BFG 8800GT OC2's in Sli mode. The only issue I have with the Physx card is the lack of games that it supports. It would be slick if games such as Doom3, Crysis and BioShock used the technology as this would make for some fantastic eye candy! I'll hold on to it with hopes that some of the game companies see the proverbial light. I will not hold my breath though, due to the cutthroat competition throughout the industry and the way companies gurad their IP. Intellectual Property for those not familiar.

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Click to view Toxcity's User Page Toxcity (17)  Click to view Toxcity's User Profile Talk to Toxcity in the Shout! Box Dec 13, 2007 - 08:48 am
I think Nvidia should do it.. would be a clever move.

They can dominate the GPU, PPU.. and soon the CPU world. :)

Woohay!

The whole of the Unreal engine 3 uses PhysX.. mmm good luck to who ever grabs the opportunity.
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Click to view AlphaWintermute's User Page AlphaWintermute (58)  Click to view AlphaWintermute's User Profile Talk to AlphaWintermute in the Shout! Box Dec 13, 2007 - 09:21 am
» Not quite but close
The whole of it does use SOME of the technology. Game still has stuff that breaks apart and what not but not to the extent that it could if you plugged on of these on and had the whole game reprogramed.
To get the full blown demonstration of what it really does you have to download the PhysX modded levels. One has a tornado in it! They are very impressive. Saw this one video where the tornado tore through an entire building shredding it to pieces.
Thats a multiplayer lvl btw, thats just plain hardcore.

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Click to view FarazNajari's User PageI am an AMD Agent FarazNajari (48)  Talk to FarazNajari in the Shout! Box I am an AMD Agent Dec 30, 2007 - 12:21 am
No shit? Really, thats fcuking amazing and can the tornado pick u up and throw u around and kill u? Or if ur in the house does it break through the house with every detail and kill u?

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Click to view Toxcity's User Page Toxcity (17)  Click to view Toxcity's User Profile Talk to Toxcity in the Shout! Box Dec 13, 2007 - 06:47 am
I think it is a very clever little chip.
But my only concern is spend another 100 quid (after spending 300 on a GPU) just for it.

I think they should team up with Nvidia and get it put into the GPU core or make it onboard for GPUs.

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Click to view FarazNajari's User PageI am an AMD Agent FarazNajari (48)  Talk to FarazNajari in the Shout! Box I am an AMD Agent Dec 30, 2007 - 12:17 am | Edited on Dec 30, 2007 - 12:35 am
How much does a PPU go for right now, And would it be usefull on a amd athlon x2 4200 with a geforce 8500 256 and yes i said 8500. But hey atleast it can run Crysis perfectly on medium.(BOOOO) shitty mobo and 2 gb ram? Im getting a 8800 ultra soon or maybe the water cooled versions but i dun think so since i might just wait a year till they perfect the quad core even more and they drop the price of everything going for cheapest 6000$ to like 3000$ Cuz apperently technoligy dubbles every year. Or loses half its value every year or something like that.

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Click to view AlphaWintermute's User Page AlphaWintermute (58)  Click to view AlphaWintermute's User Profile Talk to AlphaWintermute in the Shout! Box Dec 13, 2007 - 08:24 am
There has been such talk of this around the net. Not sure where Ageia stands on it, or how that would even work on the already very large GPU's being released as of yet. Also with only a few gaming company's on board (albeit some are very large names) its hard to say where Nvidia would stand as far as engineering a new type of GPU/PPU combo board.

I don't really mind the extra buck for a new piece of hardware cause at current most PhysX settings are completely optional and you only get impoved perform and splendor when it's enabled.
Kinda like buying a 8500 and running Crysis on low res for $100 instead of buying a 8800 GTS 512 for $300 and running on high res.
Pay more money for better perfomance, we have been doing it for years.

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Click to view AlphaWintermute's User Page AlphaWintermute (58)  Talk to AlphaWintermute in the Shout! Box Dec 13, 2007 - 08:25 am
It just hit me, an easy way for Nvidia to do the combo board, at least to get the ball rolling.
Any one remember the 7950 GX2, two boards slapped together. eh eh.

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