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| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22740 |  deimos47 (449) Apr 30, 2010 - 10:43 pm
| If you're waiting for software to catchup, you'll probably be waiting another decade.
PII X6 is a big fail. If turbo is working, it surely isn't apparent. Cache is small. Low scores in both single and multi-threaded, even compared to PII X4. Idle/Load power numbers are good, and its great at Cinebench... only.
Back when Lynnfield was launched, many were disapointed it was a step back - folks griped about 2-3% performance loss compared to Nehalem.
In retrospect, the sub $200, i5 750 looks more and more like fantastic deal, even compared to 6 core from AMD. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22711 | deimos47 (449) Apr 19, 2010 - 09:30 pm » Edited on Apr 19, 2010 - 09:35 pm
| Its about time...
- somebody looked seriously into this.
Personally, I'm on the fence. If controls and gameplay are wonky, I'm very unlikely to buy it. But, often after just seeing a 2min trailer (ie Assassin's Creed, Crysis) I pop $60 without hesitation.
Did Halo3 need a demo to add hype? What about HL2?
Even lowly demos like Far Cry and Doom3 are 500mb a piece. Anything DX10 era (Crysis, Bioshock) is almost 2GB or more.
If you recall FEAR, problem with demos is they are often very short teasers. On the other hand, millions have probably played Quake/UT/BF multiplayer on the demo - nice charity move but no revenue for company.
Crysis2 is ALREADY so popular no demo needed. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22645 | deimos47 (449) Mar 20, 2010 - 07:48 am
| Hype: super uber cool iPhone type technology that will change your life. Its got DX11! Tessellation! Buy Me!
Reality: Plain old games will still look plain old. Its not even first DX11 card. Its just another GTX285 type thats a little faster that's all. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22621 | deimos47 (449) Mar 15, 2010 - 09:47 pm
| » Oh oh Spaghettios
Great article. Excellent conclusion. CPUs have been irrelevant (yes min fps too) to gaming for YEARS.
Raise your hand if you buy new computer just to run Cinebench?
How many of you buy $400 video card to play at 800x600 low?
Flip back 10 years to a 2000 benchmark of UT or Quake3 - P3 500 vs P3 1000... HUGE difference.. almost 100%. Nowadays GPUs have offloaded SO MUCH of the work, yet some people still micro-analyze small 2-3fps differences in Bloomfield vs Lynnfield.
Sadly for the Intel, the truth is pretty grim:
$100 more for CPU - 1-2% faster
$100 more for video card - 50-300% faster
Pretty much unless you have 4 year old single-core CPU, always spend $$$ to upgrade video card first. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22516 | deimos47 (449) Feb 04, 2010 - 01:26 pm
| To sum up and clarify:
+ its very small and very low power
+ DX11 and 3 display support - as if you'll actually use either.
- 3D is so painfully slow, might as well use IGP
- lower quality video (ie vector deinterlacing)
- other bandwidth issues for HD and big displays
- for $50 you're much better off with HD4650
- for $70, only $10-20 more, you get a proper mid-end card without limitations. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22516 | deimos47 (449) Feb 04, 2010 - 01:09 pm
| The ultra high end keeps making amazing advancements..
value low end is same old pittifully slow and limited.
I seriously hope nobody here is running anything less than 9600xx/HD46xx.
Its these 64bit memory products like this that remind me of the Radeon X300/ Geforce 6200 turbocache - because users cant afford $60 so we go to extremes to make a $50 card.
Typical prices online.
HD4650 - $40-50
HD4670 - $70
9600GSO - $70
GT240 - $80
skip McD a couple times and get a decent $70 128bit 1GB card. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22471 | deimos47 (449) Jan 17, 2010 - 11:05 pm
| » clocks etc
Simple.. it will likely ship in 448 SP or 416 SP and 384 SP variants. When yields improve they can introduce an "ultra" version with 512/480SP. All will be very expensive.. I certainly dont expect nVidia to make a el cheapo $200 cut down version that will cannibalize sales.
If the slides are true. And the recent low supplies of GT200s suggest so. nVidia's new star will be far ahead in performance ahead of existing lineup.
Who will want to buy nVidia's DX10 or april fool's DX10.1 cards?
Like AMD, nVidia needs to quickly follow up with its "5700s" and "5600s" Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22463 | deimos47 (449) Jan 14, 2010 - 06:06 pm
| » nVidia...
AMD also has mobile HD5xxx series.
HD58xx, HD59xx, HD57xx, HD56xx.. thats 4 times more DX11 cards than nVidia has, and will be 6-0 when AMD DX11 value and IGP ship
Somehow nVidia's statement that "DX11 is not that important" sounds really bad now. The larger (higher cost) DX10.1 only and slower GT240 looks really bad now.
I'm worried that even when nVidia ships FERMI, it will still be many many more months before we see mainstream and value segment parts. AMD DX11 monopoly anyone? Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22432 | deimos47 (449) Jan 05, 2010 - 06:28 pm
| Its OBVIOUSLY multi-sample (as Radeon 9xxx-HD5xxx have done for over 5 years).
32xAA **might** actually be useful in Flight Simulators. But MS called it quits with FS series.
I somehow doubt you can notice 8xAA, let alone 32xAA in FPS where you're ducking, shooting, and jumping all the time. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22374 | deimos47 (449) Dec 08, 2009 - 11:23 am
| Full 512 shaders and very high 1700 shader clock!? Yikes.
Either 40nm yields drastically improved and nVidia never had issues, or this will be a very limited part.
FYI 1050Mhz would be like 4.2Gbps GDDR5.. sounds fishy... ie why so slow when even 5750 ships with chips that easily OC 1400Mhz. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22322 | deimos47 (449) Nov 26, 2009 - 11:00 am
| in the old days, upgrading a Celeron 450 to Athlon800 doubled your performance. Your shiny new GeForce2 finally fixed the UT + TNT stuttering lag fest.
Nowadays, what's the point? Except for ultra quality Crysis (which I doubt you buy new video card to replay 50x), all games are fine on 4870x2 and GTX295. And simply turning down the AA you save $$$ with a super cheap HD5770.
Besides, its not like "super hot non-contraversial replayable titles" like MW2 have got you stumbling crazy into Best Buy to get your Quad + Dual-GPU fix. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22319 | deimos47 (449) Nov 26, 2009 - 10:42 am
| The most priceless forum FAIL pick will be a couple months after PERFECT HIGH-CLOCK AMAZING PERFORMANCE FERMI launches:
- hyped up to infinity
- already bought HD5xxx
- no 5890 competitor, and no DX11/DX10.1 mid/low end
- the price tag...
priceless
PS: Even if they could make them, I simply doubt nVidia could sell more than a couple thousand perfect Fermi, not nearly enough to sustain a company who's most recent products struggle to compete with 1 year old HD4650. And its not like nVidia has chipset or CPU business to fall back on... big delay = end of nVidia. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22336 | deimos47 (449) Nov 23, 2009 - 10:43 pm
| holy sh1t batman!
6 cores, 12 threads running 4.3Ghz on air.
(well dont know stable it was for sure - no like Linpack screenie)
Gulftown Sandra sythetics are off the scale. Vantage CPU score is through the roof. Oddly though, the Everest mem bandwidth/latency is mediocre.
Unfortunately, all that horsepower doesnt really benefit real world.. ie games, encoding, superpi, etc Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22303 | deimos47 (449) Nov 19, 2009 - 09:01 pm
| 1st of all, sell at 7 while you're ahead.
Surprised few of you commented on 5 year cross-licence deal.
This is big win for AMD. Recent SSE4 and SSE4.1 variations are not good. This means AMD will be able to make CPUs with same cryptography acceleration as Clarkdale, and Intel will be able to use whatever new improvements AMD makes for CPUs in 2011. AMD desperately needs this cash to survive through 2010 without new CPUs.
Also, AMD will be able to pay down some of its record 9.5 Billion debt and -0.5 Billion equity.. maybe even get down to 2007 levels.
To put in perspective Intel only has ~2.2 Billion debt and plenty of cash. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22322 | deimos47 (449) Nov 19, 2009 - 08:51 pm
| » e8400, q9550...
the results would be slower, and slower. And compressed, with less difference between competitors.
At some point, (assuming no driver bugs/cheats) something like an Athlon 3000+ would be so CPU limited it would be like 10-20 fps in all games at all resolutions regardless of which card you used.
Would be kinda bland and boring.. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22308 | deimos47 (449) Nov 19, 2009 - 08:43 pm
| i dunno what the big deal is
EVERYBODY saw this coming miles away (err.. years). Ever since XBOX and Halo, and how amazing PC port arrived like a year later.
I'm sure at least a few of yall put 2 and 2 together - games shifting to lucrative expanding console market.
I think with 100% PC game series like COD, we deluded ourselves into thinking it would never happen.
(PSsst: Doom4 requires joystick and abandons WASD) Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22319 | deimos47 (449) Nov 18, 2009 - 05:23 pm
| 8800GT vs 5870... it depends.
* If you're still on XP, all the DX feature arguments go out the window.
* If you have small case or small PSU, anything 8800GT/4850 and up is a no-no (ie dual slot and typically 150W+).
* If you're still using those antique 20" 1680x1050 LCD, or that 50" 1366x768 plasma thats collecting dust, all the hoopla about 2560x1600 8xAA performance advantage is irrelevant.
Crysis - reason why thousands and thousands upgraded to 8800GT. Nearing 3 years later, and yet no must-have-games are pushing the hardware envelope.
I doubt I'm alone.. drawing those same old grey triangles faster is getting boring. Surprisingly side-scrollers are making a come back on Wii Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22292 | deimos47 (449) Nov 10, 2009 - 09:44 pm
| Let play the "pretend" game.
Pretend this "news" (aka rumour) is correct and you can buy a shiny new Fermi (or whaterver the name will be) in Feb-March.. 2010 ofcourse.
Even if nvidia goes under (just hypothetically) and liquidates all assets, they will still be very expensive. It will be a further couple months until the "5700" type mid-range arrives.
If you are die hard must have newest gadgets early adopter, you already have a 5870 (if not 2).
But, even if Fermi came out today.. what would you do? Play the super duper amazing Battleforge? Run the new DX11 demo as a screensavers to showcase your l33t?
My 8-ball isn't showing any BF2 must get 6800/X800, or 8800 + Crysis FTW. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22263 | deimos47 (449) Nov 02, 2009 - 03:31 pm
| "launch" in Dec.. sure why not? Heck they can even say they ALREADY launched in Sept.
You can even stretch that 1 prototype board = hardware availability.
But, actually getting thousands of boards into arms of consumers is a long uphill battle where many things could go wrong. nVidia just recently made DX10.1 parts, and has no experience with tesselation like AMD. Not to mention AMD has had GDDR5 working for a year, and this will be nVidia's first attempt.
In short, getting EVERYTHING working PERFECTLY, tested and verified on super GIANT chip at supersonic fast pace will take a miracle. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22270 | deimos47 (449) Oct 31, 2009 - 11:22 am
| Maybe this is some cheesy Star Trek episode where nVidia is regressing into an infant state, producing smaller and slower GPUs along the way. Can you imagine, not too long from now, they will "introduce" SLI, and then a 'twin texel' graphics engine...
Why are they even bothering with DX10.1 at all.. shouldn't they be focusing on DX11 since like that's what the competition already has out? Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22242 | deimos47 (449) Oct 24, 2009 - 05:34 pm
| Imagine if Windows can toggle HT on the fly...
I've been super excited about this little guy for ages. Not just cause it brings Nehalem IPC improvements to $100 dual core crowd. And the 32nm if it improves clockspeeds is nice.
But, with PCIE and even GPU integrated, i'm thinking mini-itx/HTPC market is gonna explode. Not to mention its application in some badass "netbooks".
Now, If only you could put a nVidia GF9400 in there instead of G45ultra. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22243 | deimos47 (449) Oct 24, 2009 - 05:26 pm
| when i think of tesselation, I think smoother curves... kind of like those arches in Quake3 where with 8 segments its all bloky but as you increase segments to 100 it becomes a nice smooth curve.
I think this demo is more about the HUGE load of (exagerated) displacement mapping than anything else. My neighbourhood cobblestones dont stick out like shards of glass.
So, when are they gonna fix the shadow aliasing, lack of penumbra, and all the z-fighting and coarse LOD transitions in the scene...
Personally I liked the RAGE demo more. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22203 | deimos47 (449) Oct 10, 2009 - 03:34 pm
| Whats the gimmick sales focus going to be this time?
- tesselation. now version 7. new and improved!
- 50 heads = 50 displays = eye-"50 is almost infinity"-infinity.
- each hand has 5 fingers. trying to suggest, 100x5 = 500 SIMD? Maybe we're missing a 0 ;)
But seriously folks, Wii, XB360, PS3, all essentially have DX9 graphics and we're allready DX11 on PC. Don't expect developers to work their ass for small market, until next gen consoles. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22199 | deimos47 (449) Oct 10, 2009 - 03:28 pm
| I guess this HD57xx news pretty much reinforces
my enthusiasm for GDDR5 -
HD5700's "4800" (4x1200) on 128bit = "2400" on 256 bit. 9800GTX+/GTS run memory at 2200 (only 70GB/s).
So basically, AMD DX11 mainstream 128bit cards have more bandwidth than ALL 256bit GDDR3 cards, even top end GF8/GF9. Thats 10x more than GeForce3 8 years ago in a cheap $150 card.
WOW.
Its even more awe inspiring when you recall that Samsung has 6-7Gb/s chips in the works. Flag this | Edit this post |
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