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» Punkbuster/Even Balance Interview

Starting out as a third part mod for the original Half-Life, the Punkbuster anti-cheating service from the company Even Balance has slowly grown into one of the most well know anti-cheating efforts for PC games, including Battlefield 2, Doom 3, F.E.A.R, and the upcoming Battlefield 2142 and Enemy Territory: Quake Wars. FiringSquad got a chance to chat with Even Balance founder Tony Ray to find out more about their current and future plans for Punkbuster and their views on the current state of cheating in games.

FiringSquad: First, Even Balance continues to gain new publishers and games for your anti-cheat program PunkBuster. About how many games is PunkBuster being used for?

Tony Ray: The complete list of currently live titles is always displayed on our splash page at www.evenbalance.com. Right now, we are supporting about twenty titles.

FiringSquad: Why do you think your program continues to gain customers, especially since there could be efforts made by the developers themselves to create their own anti-cheating program?

Tony Ray: Well we don't advertise or market directly to game developers/publishers in any way. All of our business comes from word of mouth between top tier developers and publishers. So we make every effort to provide the best possible third party outsourced anti-cheat resource available to game developers and publishers. And word gets around. Our pricing is reasonable and we are constantly improving our product based on new advancements by cheat authors. Plus, since we are totally independent, there is never any conflict of interest in doing business with us. It is a win/win situation for a game developer/publisher that wants to prove to their multiplayer customers that they care about the cheating issue. Allocating game programmers to build an in-house anti-cheat solution just doesn't make sense from a cost nor public relations standpoint. Merely adding PunkBuster to a game opens the game up to an ever growing segment of online players who just won't buy a multiplayer game without a proven anti-cheat system.

FiringSquad: What are the current most popular cheats and hacks that you have seen crop up in games and how do you combat it?

Tony Ray: Cheats that give the cheater information about enemy players that non-cheating players normally do not have continue to be the most popular type of cheat. This includes wallhacks, tag hacks, so-called chams, etc. Always knowing where enemies are or having enemies highlighted to always stand out against any background is a huge advantage that warps the gameplay greatly to the cheaters advantage. Most of these cheats hack the operating system to insert cheat code via dll injection or by detouring low level Windows API calls. We have continued to improve PB over the past months to be able to detect new insertion methods as they surface. And our new code detects the actual methods used by advanced hacks so that we can catch private hacks as well as public hacks. We do still catch a surprising number of new cheats using very old detection methods, but our newer advanced methods are handy when the old methods are avoided by the more skilled hack authors.

FiringSquad: How much communication is there between Even Balance and the developers and publishers in trying to locate cheats and hackers?

Tony Ray: The lines of communication are always open from our standpoint. Some of our clients talk to us very frequently, sometimes multiple times per day. Others we hear from less often. We spend zero time trying to locate hackers themselves. Our efforts do not include trying to shut down websites, etc. Our researchers spend the vast majority of their time locating cheats and developing methods to detect those cheats and getting the methods pushed out to PunkBuster servers. Many of our clients forward to us cheats that they are aware of but we usually are already detecting them by the time our clients pass them along.

FiringSquad: As more and more players get access to faster broadband connections, will it become more difficult to take out hackers and cheaters in online games?

Tony Ray: Since we target only top tier titles, most players in those games have had broadband connections for years. Sub-broadband players rarely try to play the games we are supporting because the gameplay is just too choppy in most cases. Plus the only real advantage a broadband user has with regard to cheats is that the cheat downloads take less time (which isn't much of an advantage). There is no hindrance to PunkBuster associated with a punk who tries to cheat using a broadband connection versus a punk with a modem.

FiringSquad: Recently Even Balance announced a deal to provide PunkBuster support for Ultima Online. How different is it to develop the program to work on an MMORPG title?

Tony Ray: Almost all the differences involve reducing PunkBuster's bandwidth usage between the server and game client. For example, in non MMOGs, PunkBuster updates are streamed to servers from our masters and then the server streams in the background to each connected out-of-date client during gameplay. For MMOGs, PunkBuster clients pull new updates directly from our masters to avoid over-burdening the game server with trying to update hundreds or thousands of players at the same time. Other than that, the technical details associated with detecting cheats is exactly the same for MMOGs.

FiringSquad: Will PunkBuster continue its support of Ultima Online with the upcoming revamp of the game and if so what new features can you talk about?

Tony Ray: Our contracts are month to month. So it is going to be up to the client to decide whether or not to continue PunkBuster support for games that have extended life cycles.

FiringSquad: What other games can you talk about will have future PunkBuster support?

Tony Ray: Unfortunately, none. We do not discuss support for games prior to public announcements being made. All I can say is that we have other top tier games lined up that have not yet been announced.

FiringSquad: What other projects besides PunkBuster is Even Balance working on?

Tony Ray: All of our energy and resources are tied to one product: PunkBuster Anti-Cheat. We have small side projects that are optional add-ons for PunkBuster that are updated as necessary (such as PBSETUP and PBUCON), but none of those are stand alone products.

FiringSquad: Finally is there anything else you wish to say about PunkBuster and Even Balance?

Tony Ray: We are starting to see more and more inquiries regarding cheat sites that sell private commercial cheats. I just want to say that honest players should not believe what is posted on these sites. There are a couple of notorious sites that make a lot of noise and falsely claim on their website that their hacks are undetected or PB-proof or whatever. In these cases, we are catching virtually every commercial and public hack they release within hours and are banning the GUIDS/CDKEYS associated with the detections. Think about it, cheating and lying go hand in hand. If a punk hack author admitted openly that PunkBuster was catching his customers and banning their accounts, how many cheats would he sell? We have actually seen several cases where an honest player pays for a cheat so he can send it to us and then logs into the private forums only to find out about all the angry "customers" who either have no working cheats as promised or who are getting banned over and over due to our detections of the supposedly-undetected hacks for which they paid. These sites also love to post screenshots or movies of how they are cheating on PunkBuster enabled servers - but what you have to consider is that someone who is smart enough to write an advanced game hack is also smart enough to create a fake screenshot/movie demonstrating something that doesn't exist in the real world as it is being portrayed.

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Click to view Kyorisu's User Page Kyorisu (4)  Click to view Kyorisu's User Profile Talk to Kyorisu in the Shout! Box Oct 22, 2006 - 04:33 am
What's pathetic is you cheaters. Zing!

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Click to view Cheeseman12's User Page Cheeseman12 (1)  Talk to Cheeseman12 in the Shout! Box Oct 13, 2006 - 10:10 am
» PB stinks
to be honest PB sucks...imatter of fact its absolutely dredful,pitiful,pathetic,and most of all a huge waste of money for the game developers. It sucks i know hacks than have been around for AGES ! that you can find on the most common sites and still are barely detected by punkbuster. You guys should stop in your tracks because maybe PB is advancing but so are us hackers, I'm 15 and can out smart a whole buisness, and i dont even code, to me thats pathetic. As one of the topics said. you will NEVER win on the other hand HACKERS will. its reality.

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Click to view 3l33t's User Page 3l33t (1)  Talk to 3l33t in the Shout! Box Oct 12, 2006 - 07:44 am
OMG, the end of the world is upon us!!!
Be realistic and face the facts, even with evilbalance's nazi policy, PB has never won and will never win, simply because of we can control our own pc's and manipulate the software (yes, even the pb) on the way we like.

@"That and... as soon as it is public, punkbuster will know about it anyways..."

Why should we make it public ?
PB knows some stuff but we know more.
PS: even so, check this out:
http://netcoders.be/forum/showthread.php?t=4180
Posted on: 6th September 2006, and its still undetected for me...

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Click to view Teyecoon's User Page Teyecoon (149)  Talk to Teyecoon in the Shout! Box Oct 11, 2006 - 04:50 pm
I praise PB for existing and helping to limit and control the amount of cheating but I don't believe for a minute that their software stops more than 85-90% of the hackers. Keep up the good work/progress though and it is true that online play wouldn't even be remotely as popular/worthwhile without their efforts. I don't even consider servers w/o PB running regardless that it can't stop 100% of the PUNKS.

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Click to view MigrosBudget's User Page MigrosBudget (1)  Talk to MigrosBudget in the Shout! Box Oct 11, 2006 - 12:47 pm
» orly?
Hi Tony

I am really impressed by the ammount of lies you did in your last comment, theres no sense to discuss them all because it are too much, I just got one thing to tell you.
I am sure that you know our community very well (nC) aka netCoders, so why did you lie about the private hacks that are sold by nC Coders? Just an example, there are lots of hacks awailable and for sale for the game Wolfenstein Enemy Territory. At the moment the most famous hack for this game is etBot. This hack is undetected now for more than 2 years, and over 50 satisfied customers play with etBot since years (and more than 100 that got other hacks for any PB supported game that are also not detected ;) You just detected the hack once, and that was when our coder sent you the hack, but now the Bot got a totally different codestructure, and voila, PB is again mightless against us bad cheaters :) Maybe you can detect the cheap stupid coded hacks of MSX or MPC but you can never do something agains the pro's.

Tony Ray youre not more than a stupid liar that is mightless agains the coders of nC, you can try to confuse stupid Anticheaters and give them the fiction of a cheat free world, but we both know that this is just your immagination and not the reality ;)

Cheers netcoders.be
Link: http://www.netCoders.be

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Click to view Illa's User Page Illa (1)  Talk to Illa in the Shout! Box Dec 23, 2006 - 05:42 pm | Edited on Dec 23, 2006 - 05:49 pm
» Two Side To Every Story
I want to see a joint interview with Tony Ray and someone from a RESPECTED cheating site.

@ Tony

Disable ur software and use anything dected or not, u should of learnt alot more from evil bert ;)

Famous PB Help Desk Quote !

Please turn off your firewall / Anti virus if you cannot join a PB enabled server if not please use a non PB enabled server.

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