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GrapeApe (36)    Jan 28, 2007 - 02:29 pm | Edited on Jan 28, 2007 - 02:30 pm

And my point you n00b is you pay the same price and you get BETTER performance from the X1900XT and the ULi board, or pay the same price for the Mobo+X1950P and then you also have access to the full range of cards for future upgrades not just the crumbs the OEM partners leave for you. You wanna lie about the prices to make yourself look better, fine, but unless you shop at ChumpUSA you can get the PCIe version of the X1950Pro for much cheaper than the AGP version. Keep talking BS about them being the same prices, but for people who know where to buy their card the PCie version is $50+ cheaper than the cheapest AGP version. And with the Cheap X1900XTs out there, you can get even better performance for cheaper there too. Post a link to the AGP Sapphire you're talking about that is the same price as even those on NewEgg otherwise you're lieing to save face. I can find X1900XTs and even X1950XTs for the same price as X1950Pro, and they both smoke the X1950Pro. And your BS about AGP being faster shows you didn't actually read the review and look at the results that see-saw back and forth, you probably just look at 3D Bungholiomarks and jumped to the conclusion in the rash manner that pervades your posts. Also FS can't isolate the effect of the buffer size despite there being 256 and 512MB PCIe versions. Once again you distort the facts to support your lame ass statements because you have no facts to support them. It's not about theoretical performance it's about the price premium of sticking with older hardware that requires expensive bridge chips to make work, and that price premium you might as well move to better solutions, which is about the combination of faster card and CPUs more than the speed of the bus, like I said the speed of the bus has nothing to do with it. Also your current MoBo and card are at a dead end, just like your genetic material. So you're stuck with a future upgrade anyways. If you need to lie in order to continue ranting, then it just proves you lost from the moment you types your first letters. » Login to reply to this

GrapeApe (36)    Jan 26, 2007 - 12:39 am

» YAWN !!! What was your point again? - That there was no difference? Which I proved there was differences and benefits. - The to quote you "you also need a new mobo. and a new cpu. and memory." Which isn't true unless you're riding an old system that can't keep up anyways. Yeah go ahead pop that GF8800GTX on your 386SX buddy. - PCIe 1.1 become useless with PCIe 2.0 coming. Once again proved you wrong. It's backwards compatible so that statement like most of your statements is BS. And lastly you lie saying the PCIe and AGP cards are the same price to try and save face. They aren't even close to the same price, they are far apart when you shop at places outside of ChumpUSA. So if you're used to overpaying for hardware I guess you wouldn't noitce the difference. As for the ULi crack, I'd rather have a ULi with the latest AM2 support and my choice of Graphics card, including SLi, instead of being stuck like you with whatever bone falls of the plate after everyone else is done. Remember you were saying someone was FORCED to upgrade, and that's not the case, and then your defence is performance, if people want performance they definitely shouldn't come to you, because you obviously have no idea what it is. So despite your thinking I have the blinking lights and am impressed by the loud noises, your the one making a spectacle of themselves and ranting(obviously your computer is the only thing in the house that's silent, you can't bear the competition can you). And like your Accelero you just blow hot air, as for quiet, once again look for solutions outside of BestBuy and CompUSA. You think it's about trading silence for performance, while in fact you could have both if you actually knew what you were doing. Afraid of the water are you? BTW, I can link you to a good deal on an ISA Creative Sounblaster to complete your system. Keep it up buddy, with every post you prove how lost you are and exactly why the industry is leaving you behind. You bitch and moan about PCIe but still can't address the fact that PCIe has more features that AGP just can't do, while AGP has no features PCIe can't replace, all while now being the cheaper of the two. Until you can address those facts, you're simply whinning like a petulant little boy who's mad that his toy isn't the best anymore. » Login to reply to this

doomtrooper (741)    Jan 24, 2007 - 04:14 pm

You should just right now drop dead. The gaming community is better off without you judgemental assholes who assume they know everything about everyone. » Login to reply to this

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doomtrooper (741)    Jan 22, 2007 - 05:05 pm | Edited on Jan 22, 2007 - 05:05 pm

I just ask that you type in a way that poeple will be able to comprehend the information you are trying to convey, other wise your text becomes useless. I have to admit that the only moron here may be you, enjoy talking to yourself in your own special language. (The reason you were able to read my text was because it was written in english. Try it you dumb f*ck.) » Login to reply to this  nones (28)   Jan 24, 2007 - 01:52 pm | Edited on Jan 24, 2007 - 01:54 pm oh, and man im done with you you have a 360... XD » Login to reply to this  doomtrooper (741)    Jan 24, 2007 - 04:11 pm 360? I hate consoles. » Login to reply to this  AstroFly (173)   Jan 22, 2007 - 05:30 pm I understand the frustration with changing standards and having to upgrade the entire system. I want to get a faster CPU, so I have to buy a new motherboard that will support it, which is PCI-e, so I can't use my AGP video card. I have to buy a new PCI-e video card, which isn't any faster than AGP. Also, the new motherboard needs DDR2 ram, so I have to buy 2 gigs of new ram, even though it doesn't add any performance. The only thing I can keep is my case and hard drive. You can be sure the hardware companies love quickly changing standards, as it forces the same customers to buy their products over and over again. » Login to reply to this  GrapeApe (36)    Jan 23, 2007 - 10:42 pm | Edited on Jan 23, 2007 - 10:43 pm What CPU did you upgrade from and to? Like I mentioned only the truely OLD CPUs like the Early P4s and XPs can't have the PCIe option on plain DDR. A little research before you upgrade saves alot of grief. Companies have given options for 2 years, why should they continue? It's a waste of resources keeping the AGP path alive for people afraid of change. Even the workstation market is moving from AGP-PRO to PCIe + PCI, and there's far greater reason for delays there. » Login to reply to this

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GrapeApe (36)    Jan 21, 2007 - 03:00 pm | Edited on Jan 21, 2007 - 03:02 pm

» Luddites love AGP. The reality is that there needs to be only one format for IHVs (waste of money and increased cost for mutiple formats), and that's going to be PCIe, because it has more options (not just bandwidth)than AGP, be it better power management, to better 2 way communication (HyperMemory, GPGPU/Physics) plus more exotic benefits like external and multi-VPU solutions. There's nothing AGP has to offer that PCIe can't replace or improve upon. You don't need new memory or CPU for PCIe unless you're on a solution so old that the AGP/PCIe debate is less of a concern than the socket A-462/478 issue. For S754/939/940/AM2 and 775 you can get both AGP and PCIe solutions and with DDR (and sometime both w/ DDR2) support. Heck until recently you could easily find S478 intel solution with both. So you childish rant is ignorant which isn't surprising. As for PCIe 1.1 and 2.0 you do know that it's a backwards compatible solution right? Man if the luddites don't like progress I can sell you a Commodore Vic20 or an abacus & pencil. » Login to reply to this  nones (28)   Jan 24, 2007 - 01:55 pm i bet this is your pc generic psu uber vga plastic spiderman case leds a lot of blinking ball bearing fans = noise heat dust mine: PSU: Seasonic S12-500 CASE: custom Antec P180B CPU: Scythe SCNJ-1000 Fanless GPU: Arctic Cooling Accelero X1 HDD: Nidec HD160JJ +SQD-1000 Internal HDD Silencer (2.5 Bel + AAM enabled) S-FLEX SFF21E fans ( Rear and top 5v each) = silent ( Noise 20dBA aprox) cool clean but, but, but i know more than you! get teh ubi mobo... pathetic » Login to reply to this  nones (28)   Jan 22, 2007 - 09:09 am ape... dont tell me what i need or know you fucktardX2. pci-e "better power management"?... so why pci-e2? SELF OWNED and "more exotic benefits like external and multi-VPU solutions" yea, just because a spoiled brat like u enjoys 2 to brag about sli BS it means i have 2 ditch my agp mobo for a new videocard. this isnt about progress you morom ( why dont they ditch the Jurassic/ archaic BIOS then?) my 939 4000 is more than enough for me (i know LIL kids like you love their dualcores, and having to disable one of the two-processor, use Dual-Core Optimizer, editing the registry, in order 2 even play games like i do) so yes. you dont know shitt son. » Login to reply to this  GrapeApe (36)    Jan 23, 2007 - 10:34 pm >>ape... dont tell me what i need or know you fucktardX2. I'll skool you all night ya' ignorant n00b cause you're fulla' $h1te. Say something intellegent and then I won't have to correct you. Saves us both time. >>pci-e "better power management"?... so why pci-e2? SELF OWNED Yeah, you owned yourself alright Dumba$$. The better power management was vis a vis AGP, read much, comprehend much? PCIe allows you lane management whereas AGP is always active which is more power hungry under low loads, also while PCIe 2.0 extends the power available from the previous limit, so did AGP in it's time, twice, or didn't you know that either? Perhaps if you actually knew what you were talking about you could do something more than rant like a raving lunatic. >>yea, just because a spoiled brat like u enjoys 2 to brag about sli BS it means i have 2 ditch my agp mobo for a new videocard. Yep! Get a real job, or tell your parents to get real jobs and stop scrounging welfare and wasting everyone else's money. I don't run SLi/Xfire at home (we have a few array rigs at work), but I appreciate the OPTION. As for bragging, nah if I were to do that I'd just point out that my p3ni$ is so bviously much bigger than yours, I don't need two of them, just like the GF8800GTX is more than enough. >>my 939 4000 is more than enough for me I'm sure it would be if you owned one, but most of us play games more demanding than minesweeper and the SIMs. You probably don't even have an AMD64, you really just wanna add a GF8800GTX to your K6-2 you found while pushing your shopping cart. If you had an S939 you could get a ULi based AsRock board and make the switch for the price of the premium you pay for AGP you obtuse tool. Don't whine about your AGP woes here ya baby, if you don't like the fast pace of technology go the console path ya' Luddite! AMD-ATi, intel, and nVidia aren't going to bother with 2 production runs to satisfy the likes of you. They should've hard switched and just forced everyone over. If Prescott were even half the success that C2D has been AGP would've been dead much sooner instead of extending the inevitable. Grow up and move on you silly little boy. Oh yeah and go get a job and stop complaining about your limitations (not the hardware's). » Login to reply to this  doomtrooper (741)    Jan 22, 2007 - 05:10 pm I hope you realise this topic is about AGP cards and not how to run a dual core proc. You need the help of potent mind altering drugs. » Login to reply to this

doomtrooper (741)    Jan 20, 2007 - 08:30 am

You got that right. PS: next time you write do it BEFORE you take a hit of cocaine. » Login to reply to this  nones (28)   Jan 20, 2007 - 09:16 am mkay, just don't think 2 much.. just go and play with your flopbox, in 1 or 2 years ( when M$ finally pulls the plug) you'll understand. » Login to reply to this  doomtrooper (741)    Jan 20, 2007 - 09:34 pm I have no idea what you just said. I usually converse in english, you may want to learn it to communicate with North American society. » Login to reply to this

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