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Inkswitch (123)   Apr 18, 2007 - 01:11 pm

That's because we have more freedom. Can't stop this kind of crap. Ever. BUT, you can arm yourself and minimize the killing by taking them out yourself. I think VT is liable for the deaths because they suspended the 2nd ammendment. If some of those law-abiding kids had a gun..........Maybe many less deaths. » Login to reply to this  Doctor Sinister (332)   Apr 18, 2007 - 08:34 pm "That's because we have more freedom." Yes because Finland and other European nations are so oppressive right? That is such a BS line. » Login to reply to this  Phirewind (894)   Apr 18, 2007 - 03:28 pm Or if the kids were less afraid of being kicked out of school for racial discrimination if any of them had said "look, this guy is a psycho and somebody in charge needs to do something about it!", since apparently a lot of hind-sight says (as usual) that all the signs of mental instability and deficiency were well-known among the students and teachers long before this happened. » Login to reply to this  Inkswitch (123)   Apr 18, 2007 - 03:53 pm Unfortunately, you can't arrest people because you THINK they are going to do something bad. Otherwise, all of congress would be arrested. » Login to reply to this

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inspectrex (331)    Apr 18, 2007 - 09:58 am

I agree with your sentiment that a vast majority (99%) of legal gun owners are not psycho but I think you have a fact incorrect. He DID in fact buy the gun legally. He filed off the numbers himself for some odd reason. It begs the question if he was worried about getting caught why did he turn the gun on himself? » Login to reply to this  Labotomizer (1077)   Apr 18, 2007 - 05:27 pm ... Okay, I missed that part but you're right. Better not to question the motives of someone this crazy... Those videos today were a little out there. » Login to reply to this  stalker_loner (257)    Apr 18, 2007 - 01:09 pm Apparently he presented his green card to the gun shop and he walked out with a spankin new 9mm Glock hand gun. While this may be legal, VA gun laws are obviously going to come under serious review. The thing about filing off the numbers, well, maybe he figured he wouldn't be caught somehow. I heard psychologists talking about the "immortality feeling" and how he may have felt like no one could touch him because he had the gun. Perhaps when he was near capture is when he decided he was done for and ended it all. Who knows, he was another messed up kid who happened to have a nasty dark side to him, and everyone saw it in this event. » Login to reply to this

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Spino (9)   Apr 18, 2007 - 10:11 am

Yes but you're using Cho as a common example of firearm abuse. The problem with Cho is that he's a spectacular example of those quiet wildcards that require certain stimuli before committing to a killing spree. Let's face it, you'll never stop oddities like Cho from going postal on innocents unless you enact state sponsored eugenics and psychological screening programs. I suppose those of your ideological persuasion could implement those measures after you've take away the guns, knives, video games, sporks and pointy sticks. That just might work but there's always the risk someone might get smothered with a fluffy pillow... Fine, take away guns but you're still left with intent to commit premeditated murder. So in a world without firearms what if Cho decided to spend a few weeks prepping dozens of pipe bombs instead? Chucking them in dorms and classrooms might not have the desired effect so what if he set them off at a game, rally or party where there are sure to be lots of casualties? Cho's actions were not so impulsive, he clearly planned this massacre out beforehand as per his chaining up of the building exits so people couldn't escape. What's to keep him from waiting a bit longer in order to make a pipe bomb scenario work? Last I checked pipe bombs are highly illegal and yet any joe can make them in his basement using an internet recipe and materials purchased from a local hardware shop. What happens when some manic-depressive kids (i.e. the Columbine killers) decide to make a slew of those and set them off in a really crowded area? What will you do then, vote to ban ammonia & metal pipes? Lobby Google and Yahoo to censor their websearch engines? How about legislation that renders it illegal to publish any material that provides instructions of the creation of such devices or on a more relevant note, websites that provide instructions on the creation of zip guns and other homemade firearms? Bravo, you've not only trashed the second amendment but the first one as well. Let's not discuss Europe shall we? When it comes to individual liberties modern Europe doesn't score too highly on the self expression meter. Attempting to deny the holocaust will get you instant jailtime in Germany. Immigrants are confronted with the proverbial glass ceiling if they decide to move to France. Britain sports the most surveillance cameras out of any industrialized nation and is flirting with the idea of national ID cards and a national DNA database for newborns. All this in spite of a lack of guns and an ever increasing violent crime rate, especially in France and the UK. Sure, the average European is much safer from big bad firearms but they're also at far greater risk of living in the kind of society that sends civil rights loving liberals screaming into the night. I'd much rather take a look at countries like Canada and Switzerland where firearms are quite prevalent and yet gun violence is remarkably low. Even Michael Moore in his infamous 'Bowling for Columbine' was puzzled over the stark contrast in violent crime between Canada and the United States. The cliche 'guns don't kill people, people kill people' holds true no matter how you badly you spin the contrary argument. The biggest problem I have with the anti-gun crowd is how easily they dismiss the fact that firearms are inextricably linked to the Second Amendment. There's a very good reason why the founding fathers made it the SECOND amendment and not the 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc. The right to arm and protect oneself in the face of tyranny and/or individual actions intent on depriving you of your rights is deemed to be second only to the right to express oneself and worship freely. » Login to reply to this  asdfqwerty (969)    Apr 18, 2007 - 10:38 pm What pure nonsense. I hadn't realized the ignorance and brainwashing could reach such levels on the other side of the Atlantic. Ah well, you're probably a redneck, or hail from the central states, the people on both coast are usually more educated than that. » Login to reply to this

Labotomizer (1077)    Apr 18, 2007 - 09:38 am

You're wrong. Maybe it's because you didn't grow up in the right kind of environment, but it is VERY easy to purchase a gun that isn't tracked and wouldn't be any harder if guns were completely illegal. In fact, it would probably be easier. Step 1 - Dress like someone from your favorite rap video. Step 2 - Go to your local "ghetto". Step 3 - Make sure you know your slang and ask around. Step 4 - Buy a gun. It will not take you more than 48 hours to find one. I'd honestly be surprised, outside of just plain looking in the wrong place, if it took you more than two hours to find one. Perhaps you should get your facts straight before spewing nonsense. » Login to reply to this  inspectrex (331)   Apr 18, 2007 - 10:06 am oohh,,,wow. Not sure where to start here... Zeatrix, First off what EU countries are you talking about with the same wealth as the US? If you're talking GDP size, or imports/exports I don't think any one EU country comes close to the US. Combine a few (Germany + Britain + ???) sure. Second, while gun crimes are non-existent, other violent crimes (beatings, stabbings, rapes, etc) are just as high if not higher. Lobotomizer, I assume you're NOT from the hood. Take any 'suburbanized' kid, put him/her in 'rap clothes' and drop him off on the wrong side of the tracks and see where it gets him/her. "But I'm down, I have the clothes and I talk like you!" RIGHT... I guarantee you they won't sell that person a gun but they will beat the crap out of them for fun and take their money. Didn't you see 8-mile and Malibu's Most Wanted? If you're not from the hood, please for your own safety STAY OUT! They can spot marks like that a mile away. » Login to reply to this

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