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Posted by Alan Dang on Sunday September 16, 2007 - 06:09 PM

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» Autumn 2007 Video Processing Face Off

Think upsampled DVD is just as good as Blu-ray and HD-DVD? Heard amazing things about the PlayStation 3? Interested in comparing Avivo and PureVideo? We've got all of that in this Autumn's Video Processing Face Off!

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Click to view GX-Alan's User Page GX-Alan (78)  Talk to GX-Alan in the Shout! Box Sep 20, 2007 - 10:26 am
The PS3 does do 1080i deinterlacing from the XMB interface though. If Sony can get Cell processing as efficient and high-quality as possible, then they can start using them in their XBR televisions in place of their current video processors, giving them both better image quality and economies of scale.

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Click to view madshi's User Page madshi (1)  Talk to madshi in the Shout! Box Sep 19, 2007 - 02:00 am
» VC-1 decoding acceleration with MS decoder
Hi Alan,

thanks for a very nice and well written article!

There's one thing I'd like to bring to your attention:

Many of us home cinema people are preferring other media players like MPC (Media Player Classic) or ZoomPlayer because these players are much more flexible compared to PowerDVD. And there's one very basic difference between playback in MPC/ZoomPlayer and PowerDVD: PowerDVD comes with its own VC-1 decoder which can not be used outside of PowerDVD. That means if you're using MPC or ZoomPlayer, you're stuck with the Microsoft VC-1 decoder. And hardware acceleration behaves totally different with that decoder compared to PowerDVD's decoder. The reason for that is that PowerDVD's VC-1 decoder supports all acceleration levels while the MS VC-1 decoder only supports the lower modes but not the highest one. Unfortunately ATI's latest cards only support the highest acceleration mode, but *not* the lower modes. As a result with PowerDVD's VC-1 decoder ATI cards have a better performance compared to NVidia. But with the MS VC-1 decoder ATI cards have no hardware acceleration at all while NVidia has the same acceleration for both VC-1 decoders !!

Practically spoken that means that I have some (minor) stuttering when playing the VC-1 movie "Deja Vu" on my Intel Core Duo 2 PC with an ATI 2600Pro card because I'm not using PowerDVD and it's not possible to get VC-1 hardware acceleration to work in anything except PowerDVD with this graphics card.

Btw, here's a thread with a lot of hints about how to tweaking the ATI/AMD drivers to fix some of the driver problems:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=872538

It should be said that AMD's current drivers are a mess for HTPC people. So I'm happy if articles like your's will make them invest more time into making the drivers more HTPC friendly.

Thanks!

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Click to view froggz's User Page froggz (643)  My XFire username is: FROGGZ Talk to froggz in the Shout! Box Sep 18, 2007 - 03:00 pm
Okay a month is reasonable time to wait for the Toshiba player and the 360. If MS and Toshiba don't care then they don't deserve the free publicity. Maybe they knew the image quality was not going to be competitive. Sorry for doubting you GX-Alan.

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Click to view mclaren777's User Page mclaren777 (-1)  Talk to mclaren777 in the Shout! Box Sep 18, 2007 - 02:27 pm | Edited on Sep 18, 2007 - 03:59 pm
» PS3 Improvements
I do want to caution you between 30-40% CPU power and 30-40% improvement. A lot of it is still algorithmic challenges.

The PS3 does do 1080i deinterlacing from the XMB interface though. If Sony can get Cell processing as efficient and high-quality as possible, then they can start using them in their XBR televisions in place of their current video processors, giving them both better image quality and economies of scale.

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Click to view BMWDriver's User Page BMWDriver (4)  Talk to BMWDriver in the Shout! Box Sep 18, 2007 - 11:32 am
You can clearly see the difference on static images. But when images are in motion, I still wonder at how different it looks. I wonder if it might have been possible to put together an animated gif (or other format) of portions of the screen to better illustrate this.

One thing's for sure: when things move, even stills are blurred.

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Click to view BMWDriver's User Page BMWDriver (4)  Talk to BMWDriver in the Shout! Box Sep 19, 2007 - 05:48 pm
I found an open movie (like open source, but movie) to test HD video to see what difference it makes. It helps that I have a 1920x1200 screen. The video is called Elephants Dream and available for HD download. The 11 minutes weigh in at over 800 MB, and you need a different player than the usual Media Player.

Now I get it. But I can't speak for how weird this movie is. I'm still a bit freaked out.
Link: http://www.elephantsdream.org

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