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Posted by Brandon Sandman Bell on Thursday December 06, 2007 - 03:40 PM

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» XFX GeForce 8800 GT 256MB XXX Review

The GeForce 8800 GT 256MB is here! How does the board stack up against the Radeon HD 3850? Does the 256MB frame buffer bottleneck performance too much? How well does the card OC? Find the answers in today's review!

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Click to view deimos47's User Page deimos47 (434)  Click to view deimos47's User Profile Talk to deimos47 in the Shout! Box Dec 10, 2007 - 12:30 am | Edited on Dec 10, 2007 - 12:36 am
True that. Both are good cards with odd pricing and availability issues.

But, looking at it in reverse, if the 256MB launched first and you were reviewing the 512MB just now, based on 512MB's significant higher performance with AA, not to mention recovery from near zero numbers and all for as you said $20 more, you'd have to give it a score of like 126%.

So I guess its my fault for not realizing the range of the scale was expanded to 120%+ territory.

EDIT: COD4 uses 400MB+ yet performance doesnt tank with AA. Odd..
www.yougamers.com\articles\13801_video_ram_-_how_much_do_you_really_need-page7\

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Click to view GX-Brandon's User PageI am an AMD Agent GX-Brandon (369)  Talk to GX-Brandon in the Shout! Box I am an AMD Agent Dec 10, 2007 - 07:28 am
Well, my texture quality in CoD 4 is set to "high" instead of "extra". Everything else is cranked up to highest settings. That would account for some of the difference.

Looks like based on the date of that article he would have been using the demo, and therefore using FRAPS runs, which can't be repeated 100% and thus you get lots of variability from run to run.

I'm not knocking the method, as obviously I use FRAPS to test CoD 4 too.

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Click to view DanTheMathlete's User Page DanTheMathlete (235)  Talk to DanTheMathlete in the Shout! Box Dec 10, 2007 - 10:42 am
» Method to the Madness
a*AvgMaxFps - b*Price + c*Author = CardRating,
where a,b & c are scalar values you determine and disclose.

These values would weight how important you feel each category is. Compute the average fps on a game at a particular resolution, subtract the cost (this way $1,000 cards do not automatically win the contest just because they perform really well) and add the authors opinion (which can be a negative number if they don't like the card). Take the average of all games at the same resolution and divide by your highest scored value for any card to that date. Then you will have a scaled number which is more meaningful than a percentage and you can still editorialize your opinion about the card. obviously this is just a simple linear function and you could do more complicated equations, for example exponentially increase decrease any or all of the values or use a logistic function. You could form a Gaussian distribution and scale all your values by that, whatever floats your boat.

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Click to view GX-Brandon's User PageI am an AMD Agent GX-Brandon (369)  Talk to GX-Brandon in the Shout! Box I am an AMD Agent Dec 09, 2007 - 10:58 am
I think the 90% score is fair -- for an extra $20 you're getting a nice boost in performance over the stock 8800 GT 256MB. That's where the number comes from.

In terms of value in comparison to the 8800 GT 512MB, you're definitely going to get more bang from your buck with the 512MB. The question is do you want to pay $250-$300 for the 512MB. For some ppl the answer to that question is no.

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Click to view Crypt's User Page Crypt (1)  Talk to Crypt in the Shout! Box Dec 08, 2007 - 09:16 pm
Why does the 8800GT 256MB bottom out to 3-5fps when the 3850 256MB does not?

The 90% does seem rather sketchy, considering how close the cost is to the 512MB 8800GT and 3870.

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Click to view deimos47's User Page deimos47 (434)  Click to view deimos47's User Profile Talk to deimos47 in the Shout! Box Dec 08, 2007 - 12:40 am
In general I find firingsquad reviews to be objective and fair. My eyes must be blurry from all that Crysis brine.

I don't quite see how a video card that tank to 4-5fps range in multiple titles can get an astounding 90%. Thats almost like calling Phenom's L3 bug a "feature" and giving it bonus marks for it.

Ignoring the odd win the 3850 had over the GT in Crysis at 16x12, and cases where they are tied like in Bioshock, on average the GT/GT XXX are about 20% faster. Hardly "outclassing", when you consider the GT's higher price, and AMD's upcoming price drop.

And judging from what what happened with its 512MB brother, the 256MB prices will rise in no time, and they'll all be out of stock before the weekend is over.

I guess we all took a lesson from the gamespot kane&lynch incident ;)

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Click to view GX-Brandon's User PageI am an AMD Agent GX-Brandon (369)  Talk to GX-Brandon in the Shout! Box I am an AMD Agent Dec 09, 2007 - 11:05 am
I don't think you're going to see 8800 GT prices rise any further. Remember that an unannounced new G92 GPU variant is almost upon us. So that's going to create a ceiling for 8800 GT prices, or at least it should on paper. We'll see what availability is like in the real world.

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Click to view Martimus's User Page Martimus (158)  Click to view Martimus's User Profile Talk to Martimus in the Shout! Box Dec 08, 2007 - 07:18 am
The HD 3850 destroyed the 8800 GT in Oblivion as well. (Which is my current addiction, darn that oblivicrack!)

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Click to view GX-Brandon's User PageI am an AMD Agent GX-Brandon (369)  Talk to GX-Brandon in the Shout! Box I am an AMD Agent Dec 09, 2007 - 11:02 am
Yeah I don't know what happened to the GT 256MB in Oblivion. I re-ran those numbers multiple times because it didn't look right, but the card's performance just dives at 16x12 w/4xAA for some reason in the foliage area.

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Click to view deimos47's User Page deimos47 (434)  Talk to deimos47 in the Shout! Box Dec 08, 2007 - 11:45 am | Edited on Dec 08, 2007 - 11:48 am
Well, I was ingnoring the 4fps in Oblivion cases. But, rather than comparing to lowly HD 3850, notice how far behind the 256MB is behind the 512MB with AA: 70 vs 55 in FEAR, 110.7 vs 87.7 in COH, 55.2 vs 28.4 in Oblivion, 37 vs 25 in WIC, 81.7 vs 64 in HL2, and 28.6 vs 19.3 in LostP... no point of even thinking about AA in Bioshock and Crysis with your 256MB GT. So for $30-40 more the 512MB GT is 25%, 25%, 94%, 48%, 28%, and 48% faster with AA (once again ignoring those dysmal drops to 0-4fps range in Bioshock and Crysis -games apparently too unpopular and too modern to sway the review's score).

Hey, I'm just saying if I want something a tad cheaper than Double bacon cheeseburger and get a plain cheeseburger, I'm not going to be 90% satisfied.

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Click to view Martimus's User Page Martimus (158)  Click to view Martimus's User Profile Talk to Martimus in the Shout! Box Dec 07, 2007 - 12:48 pm
How did you get Oblivion to run with both 4X AA and HDR on? When I try to turn on AA, it tells me that I can not have HDR on, so I leave AA off (HDR is more important to me)

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Click to view GX-Brandon's User PageI am an AMD Agent GX-Brandon (369)  Talk to GX-Brandon in the Shout! Box I am an AMD Agent Dec 07, 2007 - 06:40 pm
What GPU are you running? Any R5xx or better GPU from AMD can run with HDR+AA and G8x supports it as well. It must be forced via control panel though.

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