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Posted by Brett Todd on Wednesday May 21, 2008 - 10:06 AM

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» Brett's Rant: GTA

Brett's still not quite done with Grand Theft Auto. See what's bugging him here!

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Click to view Phirewind's User Page Phirewind (894)  Talk to Phirewind in the Shout! Box May 22, 2008 - 10:18 am
You little whipper-snappers don' know nuthin 'bout GTA... all this "three dimensions" flibberty gabber and whizbang gidgetygadgeroo... if you want good ol' fashioned cartoon violence, get a DOS box and load up the original GTA. Top-down sprite-animated no-plot killing at it's finest.

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Click to view Eclipse's User Page Eclipse (435)  Click to view Eclipse's User Profile Talk to Eclipse in the Shout! Box May 23, 2008 - 02:38 pm
I have GTA1 in it's original box on my wall. I opened it up and it has hard copy maps of "liberty city" and "vice city". heh. I should try to use DOS Box to run it.

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Click to view mr.wielder's User PageI am an AMD Agent mr.wielder (1395)  Talk to mr.wielder in the Shout! Box I am an AMD Agent May 23, 2008 - 06:11 pm
hxxp://www.rockstargames.com/classics/

ftw

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Click to view FSgeeK's User Page FSgeeK (531)  Click to view FSgeeK's User Profile Talk to FSgeeK in the Shout! Box May 22, 2008 - 03:14 pm
I played GTA2 for the PS, at the time i thought it was awesome that you could gain gang rep and stuff.

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Click to view MooseMuffin's User Page MooseMuffin (191)  Talk to MooseMuffin in the Shout! Box May 22, 2008 - 06:51 am
This is the second firingsquad GTA article where I've agreed entirely with the argument, and disagreed entirely with the conclusion. The realism and brutality of Niko are the reason I'm playing this game. I feel like I have to know how things turn out for him, and if there's any redemption for him.

The silliness and much lighter feel around Vice City are why I ultimately never finished it.

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Click to view HeadRusch's User Page HeadRusch (108)  Talk to HeadRusch in the Shout! Box May 21, 2008 - 04:15 pm
» You can't beat Vice City. Period.
....Vice City remains the best game in the series because its the one that they seemed to put the most effort into. The celebrity voices, the diverse music channels, the use of the same celebs on the funny radio commercials, and the game never once stopped to take itself seriously....and of course the setting and soundtrack were just perfect.

San Andreas was such a huge letdown for me...I can see what they wanted to do but it was just too much nonsense, and I got tired of being a hoodrat pretty quickly in the game.

But VC, it was like a Miami Vice episode with kooky, over-the-top characters. How could you not laugh when Burt Reynolds or Lee Majors or Gary Busey are the guys giving you these crazy orders.....GTA4 captures on that more than San Andreas did.....

GTA4 has its funny parts, and I like the characters so far, but as a game its already taking itself a little too seriously...and I agree, some of the slow motion executions really seem to take me out of the moment...they just seem, I dunno, inappropriate for the overal vibe of the game.

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Click to view Eclipse's User Page Eclipse (435)  Click to view Eclipse's User Profile Talk to Eclipse in the Shout! Box May 21, 2008 - 08:56 pm
» Agreed
You hit the nail on the head right there!

Vice City didn't take itself seriously, and that's why it was great.

It's not that GTA4 is bad, it's just not what I expected. It was like walking into a movie theater expecting an action/comedy and finding out that it's actually a crime drama. (spoiler alert, sorta) One with a real downer of a moral(ish) ending.

Still, it's a good game. Definitely worth playing and a 95% (or more) game to be sure...

It is what it is. You can't say "No Country for Old Men" is a bad movie just because it's not a comedy.

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Click to view DanTheMathlete's User Page DanTheMathlete (235)  Click to view DanTheMathlete's User Profile Talk to DanTheMathlete in the Shout! Box May 21, 2008 - 02:11 pm
There are so many reasons why the views expressed in this article morally bankrupt that I'm not even going to bother trying to articulate them. You probably wouldn't understand my position because if you did you never would have written the article, sociopaths do not think like the rest of us.

"I have the urge to kill without conscience"
You need help, I suggest you contact a counselor before you act out in the "real" world. Or join the military where murder is both encouraged and legal.

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Click to view TimberWolf_CLT's User Page TimberWolf_CLT (241)  Click to view TimberWolf_CLT's User Profile Talk to TimberWolf_CLT in the Shout! Box May 22, 2008 - 01:21 pm | Edited on May 22, 2008 - 01:21 pm
We're a bit high and mighty aren't we? Who gave you the moral superiority merit badge?

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Click to view BrettTodd's User Page BrettTodd (9)  Talk to BrettTodd in the Shout! Box May 22, 2008 - 07:20 pm
Jesus. Do I have to put IMO at the end of every goddamn sentence?

It's an opinion piece. Meaning that this is my opinion. Mine. Me. Alone. I'm not trying to speak for anybody else, or make any sweeping moral judgments.

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Click to view Eclipse's User Page Eclipse (435)  Click to view Eclipse's User Profile Talk to Eclipse in the Shout! Box May 23, 2008 - 02:34 pm
Yes Friendly Fire indeed!

BrettTodd, he was defending you man.

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Click to view mr.wielder's User PageI am an AMD Agent mr.wielder (1395)  Click to view mr.wielder's User Profile Talk to mr.wielder in the Shout! Box I am an AMD Agent May 23, 2008 - 11:14 am
Friendly fire! Friendly fire!

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Click to view BrettTodd's User Page BrettTodd (9)  Talk to BrettTodd in the Shout! Box May 22, 2008 - 11:26 am | Edited on May 22, 2008 - 11:30 am
News flash -- the column is about a game, not real life.

Also, you're missing my point entirely. I preferred VC and SA because they cloaked their violence in such absurdity that you couldn't take anything seriously. GTA IV hits too close to home, though, to the point where I found some of Niko's more heinous acts absolutely gut-wrenching, beginning with his execution of Vlad early on.

Like the other poster said, the executions just seemed out of place, and way too extreme for a game that's traditionally been too over the top to take all that seriously. Racing around on crazy sprees of violence in a cartoon world is one thing; slo-mo shooting victims in the head is on a whole other level.

In this case, for me, less realism is more.

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Click to view w00t's User Page w00t (924)  My XFire username is: w00t Talk to w00t in the Shout! Box May 23, 2008 - 01:33 pm
Much agreed. This new GTA4 isn't "bad", but it's not fun either. It look slike a GTA, but it doesn't feel like a GTA.

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Click to view Eclipse's User Page Eclipse (435)  Click to view Eclipse's User Profile Talk to Eclipse in the Shout! Box May 21, 2008 - 09:02 pm
Wow, that's one hell of a cognitive leap there. Seems like you and Jack Thompson would get along just fine.

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Click to view mr.wielder's User PageI am an AMD Agent mr.wielder (1395)  Click to view mr.wielder's User Profile Talk to mr.wielder in the Shout! Box I am an AMD Agent May 21, 2008 - 03:35 pm
You're fragmenting that sentence and criticizing it out of context. The subject at hand is Grand Theft Auto which is a video game wherein killing is simulated and not real.. read slower?

I agree with what Brett is saying but I'll take it a step further, I haven't felt much for the GTA series since the isometric days where it was completely faceless. Nothing like Vice City with a Chromeo playlist though, it's almost too perfect.

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Click to view Eclipse's User Page Eclipse (435)  Talk to Eclipse in the Shout! Box May 21, 2008 - 09:04 pm
I always had a hard time driving in GTA1 and 2. Just when I got up to speed I would rear-end someone. I loved GTA3 just because I could see where I was going :)

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