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breakspirit (426)   Jul 10, 2008 - 06:39 pm

I vote it's the RAM. I personally have to only install 2gigs during installation and add the other 2gigs once it is up and running. For some reason, Vista's installer crashes consistently for me with more than 2 gigs of RAM. This is with a pre-SP1 install disc. » Login to reply to this  Annex (21)   Jul 12, 2008 - 10:02 am I have the same issue with a pre-SP1 disc. Wont install if I have more than 2GB in the system. Once its installed I can put the rest of the ram back in. » Login to reply to this  x4 Critical (397)   Jul 10, 2008 - 08:11 pm This was common with MSI boards and it could have hit others as well. Any time you are making a new build, you should just install the basic hardware components and then start adding. Unless SP3 fixed it with XP, installing a fresh copy of XP onto a SATA drive would hang the installation unless you told the BIOS it was an PATA or IDE drive. Sometimes installations are just that picky. » Login to reply to this  RedRay (385)   Jul 10, 2008 - 11:28 pm I put 64bit Vista on my latest PC and it worked well. Note the past tense. Due to no fault of Vista's (at least I think not), but rather due to that unbelievably destructive piece of software known as Mass Effect, my install was badly contaminated. Oddly, when I tried to install Vista a 2nd time, it repeatedly blew up, getting as far as the first reboot and then never getting past that reboot. Oh well, back to XP. It's not as nice IMO. Oh, and Mass Effect blue screens XP consitantly too. Wonderful... » Login to reply to this

elmers78 (9)   Jul 10, 2008 - 06:14 pm

Hasn't XFI line of soundcard always had a problem with Vista? Did you try installing Vista without the xtras? For instance, try installing Vista without the soundcard, and the other 2 drives. » Login to reply to this  Labotomizer (1295)   Jul 11, 2008 - 09:57 am You're probably right on the XFI. I remember reading that someone else wrote a driver for it that Creative was going to sue but it was so much better than Creative's driver and the community backlash against them so bad they backed off. Do some google searching, that's probably your issue. » Login to reply to this

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Labotomizer (1295)    Jul 10, 2008 - 03:01 pm

People have been begging MS for years to sever backwards compatibility for security and stability's sake. MS finally does that and everyone gets pissed. If you've run Vista for any length of time you'll see they kept up the security and stability part of their bargain by giving up that support. It's a good trade off in my opinion, one I've been wanting for a while. If you think this is bad, wait until Midori. That could be very, very interesting. It'll run parallel with Windows for many years though, but will eventually replace it like NT did with 9x. » Login to reply to this  blppt (182)   Jul 11, 2008 - 05:18 am Security yes, Stability, hell no. Although that could be more Nvidia-Creative-(insert driver maker here) than MS's fault....still, the whole point of moving drivers out of the kernel level was SUPPOSED to increase stability. » Login to reply to this  blppt (182)   Jul 16, 2008 - 02:54 pm I never expect any OS to be 100% stable, but it SHOULD be more stable than XP due to the drivers no longer running on the kernel level.. In reality however, it crashes far more often for me than either XP32 or XP64. Thats the irony of the situation. Nor have I once been able to recover from video or sound driver errors as MS promised. Hell, MS ditched DS3D/Hardware for the sole reason of increasing stability in Vista. Again, I dont expect to recover from ALL errors, but I havent been able to recover from ANY. And Vista, IME, has crashed far more often for me than XP, for which I used to regularly exceed 100 day uptimes. Thats why I dont consider Vista x64 or 32 to be as stable as XP currently. Hopefully that will change. » Login to reply to this  larsig (780)   Jul 15, 2008 - 05:59 pm "increased stability" does not mean "impossible to crash". Really annoying thing to me is that many people expect their systems to work flawlessly with no issue. Be it Windows, Linux, or (*gasp* for those mac fanboys out there) mac, software will always have issues and it will do it's damndest to confuse the hell out of you. Computers demand perfection of those that program them. Unfortunately, humans are far from perfect. » Login to reply to this  blppt (182)   Jul 14, 2008 - 06:53 am Interesting that you would assume that I have only run vista on ONE pc. » Login to reply to this  Labotomizer (1295)    Jul 12, 2008 - 08:46 am Then your computer is apparently an issue. » Login to reply to this  blppt (182)   Jul 11, 2008 - 10:19 am Maybe so, but the point was that moving the drivers out of the kernel area and into user space was SUPPOSED to make Vista more stable in the face of poorly written drivers, but I have yet to have a recoverable crash in Vista (since it crashes far more than XP, its annoying). » Login to reply to this  Labotomizer (1295)    Jul 11, 2008 - 10:05 am You should blame nVidia, as something like 30% of all Vista crashes in the first year were directly caused by nVidia drivers, 12% by ATI and then it trickles down. Only 5-10% can be attributed to issues with Vista directly. As for it making things more stable, there's no doubt it did. nVidia had 2 years with Vista BEFORE it went to RTM and they still had terrible drivers. ATI drivers didn't perform as well but were far more stable earlier than nVidia. » Login to reply to this  breakspirit (426)   Jul 10, 2008 - 06:37 pm Is midori the same as windows7? » Login to reply to this  Labotomizer (1295)    Jul 11, 2008 - 10:02 am The rumors are that Midori is actually in incubation, which means it's on the track to becoming a retail release. It is based on Singularity. Two very interesting things. One is it's microkernel based, which on old hardware is bad but on modern hardware it's extremely good. Each application, each driver, each everything loads a microkernel. That means all systems are independent of each other. If one thing crashes everything else is completely unaffected and that operating system restarts. Singularity, and probably Midori, is capable of running on anything, from a Wii to a super computer. It's a completely, built from scratch OS. It will probably be what brings WinFS to the desktops as it's probably going to make it's debut before long in their new Cloud OS server software they're working on. The other really cool thing is Singularity is open source and there's a good chance Midori will be as well. Which means the kernel itself will be open to developers to tweak for their individual applications and drivers. MS will offer services and software over and above, such as the GUI, at a price but the microkernel itself will most likely be FOSS. » Login to reply to this  Thrawn123 (187)   Jul 10, 2008 - 09:23 pm No, Windows 7 is based on Vista. Midori looks like it's based on Singularity, which is an OS designed by Microsoft for research purposes. It's big thing is that it runs a microkernel and is based on managed code. It is a completely new paradigm compared to traditional windows. » Login to reply to this

FSgeeK (664)    Jul 10, 2008 - 12:59 pm | Edited on Jul 10, 2008 - 12:59 pm

They are people that are afraid of change, and to hide their phobia they will just bash what they cant accept instead of keeping their uneeded opinions to themselves. » Login to reply to this  Stories (325)   Jul 10, 2008 - 01:19 pm Agreed. Vista for me has been vastly superior to XP. Then again, I guess anytime you upgrade all your equipment (yes, I'm also a 4GB RAM user), the niceties of the newer OS can really shine. » Login to reply to this  demongamesuk (85)   Jul 10, 2008 - 02:40 pm Ditto :D » Login to reply to this

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kwajfreak (16)   Jul 11, 2008 - 12:39 pm

Yes, but in a couple of years pc gamers will be force to upgrade to a DirectX 10 card. » Login to reply to this

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