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DanTheMathlete (235)    Dec 04, 2008 - 07:00 am

Why does someone post this with every manufacturer build review? Your ability to build a computer yourself has a value and that is where the extra cost comes from, if you can't build a computer yourself you must pay someone else to do it for you. » Login to reply to this  DemBones79 (226)    Dec 04, 2008 - 07:23 pm | Edited on Dec 04, 2008 - 07:23 pm Go back and re-read what I wrote. I'm not talking about my ability to build a PC for less. Whoopty-freaking-doo. A trained monkey can build a gaming PC. What differentiates an average customer-built gaming rig from a professional custom-built gaming rig is polish. Custom cases, cable management, ducting and so on are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to an "industry leading" PC. My point was not that I can build the same for less. It's that I could build the same, period. It's that for the same amount of money, you could get a custom-built rig from one of the *real* industry leaders and get a machine that not only looks better, but has better attention to detail. If this was a Gateway or a Compaq, sure. Whatever. I'd accept that its innards look like crap. But this thing is being compared to machines like those built by Falcon Northwest. I'm sorry, but there's no contest. » Login to reply to this  DanTheMathlete (235)    Dec 06, 2008 - 07:15 am | Edited on Dec 06, 2008 - 07:16 am ROFL, how much time did you spend writing that up? I didn't even read it LOL at u Bones! » Login to reply to this  FSgeeK (531)    Dec 06, 2008 - 05:58 am | Edited on Dec 06, 2008 - 06:03 am Price out all the stuff that comes with this computer on newegg and you will actually find out that it not much cheaper to "build" it yourself. I been to the other "custom builders" sites and they charge way to much for their "custom" crap. 5k easy with half of the components that this pc has. You dont have to go for the case shown on this review, although thermaltake makes good cases with good airflow, since that seems to be your problem. You wanna pay out the nose for less than half of what you can get in a machine from this place, go ahead and get ripped off. » Login to reply to this  DemBones79 (226)     Dec 05, 2008 - 12:18 pm You keep getting hung up on the money issue, man. That's not what I'm talking about. When I say read, I mean all of it. And I'm not talking about cold cathode or blinky lights or any of that garbage either. I'm talking about airflow. I'm talking about cable management. I'm talking about custom parts to aid in achieving the two previous goals. I'm talking about quality of craftsmanship. For crying out loud, I spelled it out here: "My point was not that I can build the same for less. It's that I could build the same, period." There are parts of this PC's design that look really clean. And other parts that just look half-assed. If you're going to compare yourself to industry leaders, you can't afford to do anything half-assed. And actually, if you look at the bulk of my original post, I wasn't even concerned with the money. My main complaint was with the PR mouthpiece soundoff on page 1. If anything, I'd say you're the one concerned about money because that's all your posts on this topic are about: "Good luck selling it in today's market." "Your ability to build a computer yourself has a value and that is where the extra cost comes from, if you can't build a computer yourself you must pay someone else to do it for you." Really? You think? Do you think I haven't a clue how valuable my time is? Do you think I haven't considered paying extra to have a PC built for me? I have. And if I'm going to pay someone else to do something for me, they better as hell do a good job of it. My complaint isn't about the money. It's about the craftsmanship. And from what I'm seeing in these pics, I'm just not seeing it. It looks good. But it hardly looks professional. It looks like the same job anyone with half a clue would do. My point is if I'm going to pay someone else to do work for me, I demand quality. Oh, and just so you know, smartass, Falcon only offers Core i7 systems with 6 and 12 gigs of RAM. It'd be impossible to build an identical system since they don't believe in skimping. ;) » Login to reply to this  DanTheMathlete (235)    Dec 05, 2008 - 07:07 am Go back and re-read what you wrote. Better yet, I'll quote you so that you don't have to make the effort! "I'm not impressed. It looks more like something I would build myself for a lot less money." The exact same amount of money for more work that looks better too, are you sure? Usually that comes for a price. Falcon's build Has to have the same components, no cheating! Also, with two 3lb GPUs this computer isn't intended for laning (unless you intend to spend more money for structural supports) so unless you find flashing lights cool why would you want them? I, for one, am not bedazzled by sparklers and, as such, find LED fans and cold cathode lights ridiculous. » Login to reply to this

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mr.wielder (1394)    Dec 03, 2008 - 10:31 pm

Totally agree. Might be nicer ram but we should be expecting more. ASSuming everyone runs 64-bit of course. » Login to reply to this  FSgeeK (531)   Dec 04, 2008 - 04:56 am | Edited on Dec 04, 2008 - 04:57 am right cause most ppl use the 32 bit and it can only utilize 3.5 gb of ram. Besides when u goto their site u can just drop one of the x2's cause u dont really need it and get another 3gb of ram. » Login to reply to this

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RedRay (371)   Dec 08, 2008 - 11:33 am

I bought my last PC from them and would use them again. » Login to reply to this

FSgeeK (531)    Dec 04, 2008 - 04:55 am

I bought a computer from them and their tech support is just fine. » Login to reply to this

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