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Posted by Brandon Sandman Bell on Wednesday April 08, 2009 - 04:56 AM

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» Upgrading to Windows 7 RC

In their latest blog post, the Windows 7 team discusses upgrading to the Windows 7 Release Candidate (RC) build when it's released (which is expected to occur sometime next month). In the post, Microsoft asks Windows 7 beta users who would like to upgrade to RC1 to actually revert back to Windows Vista before installing the Windows 7 RC. Apparently upgrading from the Windows 7 beta is possible, but the team hasn't designed the OS to be upgraded this way. Microsoft says "you might run across some oddities after upgrade. We experience these internally at Microsoft occasionally but we don’t always track them down and fix them because they take time away from bugs that would not only manifest themselves during this one-time pre-release operation."

Upgrading from Windows XP isn't recommended either: "We realized at the start of this project that the “upgrade” from XP would not be an experience we think would yield the best results. There are simply too many changes in how PCs have been configured (applets, hardware support, driver model, etc.) that having all of that support carry forth to Windows 7 would not be nearly as high quality as a clean install. This is something many of you know and already practice. We do provide support for moving files and settings and will prompt at setup time, but applications will need to be reinstalled. We know that for a set of customers this tradeoff seems less than perfect, but we think the upfront time is well worth it."

As always, the best method for installing a new OS is from a clean hard drive; the Windows 7 release candidate supports this in addition to Vista upgrades. If you don't want to do either, and would rather install the RC build over your beta copy of Windows 7, you'll need to modify an ini file in order to get everything working, just don't complain if you run into quirks once you've got the RC installed.

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Click to view deimos47's User Page deimos47 (434)  Click to view deimos47's User Profile Talk to deimos47 in the Shout! Box Apr 13, 2009 - 07:31 pm
MS Paradigm
let the OS be defined by its DirectX version

DirectX is so huge and expansive, MS feels it requires whole new OS nowadays. Personally, I think this "shell" should be like "expansion pack" for DirectX # whatever.

Current Vista/Win7 situation breaks MS tradition. Win2000 came with DX7. When I had 9700pro I had to go and download DX9, and then many months later when DX9 games came out, I could play DX9 content. older DX interfaces existed simultaneously and didn't require new driver model.

Seriously, just think for a memoment - not too many years ago, Win98, Win2000 and WinXP folks all had the same DX9, and were all playing the same DX9 quality Far Cry. And did ability to play DX9 on Win98 kill WinXP sales??

Why oh why hasn't MS figured this out yet for Vista... (and Win7)

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Click to view Labotomizer's User Page Labotomizer (989)  Click to view Labotomizer's User Profile Talk to Labotomizer in the Shout! Box Apr 14, 2009 - 01:53 pm
It's not a marketing limitation but an OS design limitation. The changes in memory and hardware device drivers are why DX10 won't run on XP, not because MS is "trying to make more money". If that were the case we wouldn't have seen Live Wave 3 and IE8 available for XP. Those are more tangible reasons to upgrade than DX for most users, not on this site but as a whole.

There is a reason why the DX10 "hacks" that try to make it run on XP have been such miserable attempts. Do you think if it were something that would have been able to be ported to XP without a huge amount of work that the people working on DX10 XP would still be having so many problems? MS engineers estimated something like 25% of the XP code base would have to be scrapped and reworked to make DX10 run. Considering you're talking about rewriting a quarter of a 4-5 year old OS, at the time of Vista's RTM, it's not only impracticle but an insanely stupid business decision.

Next time do some research instead of believing in some silly conspiracy. If you think DX is the driving force of upgrades for more than MAYBE, on the absolute high end, 10% of Windows users you're out of your mind.

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Click to view Labotomizer's User Page Labotomizer (989)  Click to view Labotomizer's User Profile Talk to Labotomizer in the Shout! Box Apr 13, 2009 - 09:36 am
» Good News on XP Upgrades
This is for Windows 7 in general but apparently when you launch the setup from within XP on the RC or newer it starts the "Easy Transfer Wizard". This exports data and settings, and hopefully even programs (it's supposed to be added but may not for release) to an external HDD. Once the clean install is done the wizard fires back up and imports everything in fresh.

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Click to view sqitso's User Page sqitso (336)  Click to view sqitso's User Profile Talk to sqitso in the Shout! Box Apr 10, 2009 - 01:22 pm
WAAAHH!!! I have to buy a new OS again. So sick of hearing it. How 'bout this. We stop advancing hardware and software.. so there is no need for new OS. Yea.. let's stay in the stone age. Jesus.. you never hear a Linux user complaining about recompiling his kernel every 3 months.

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Click to view Cool.DK's User Page Cool.DK (193)  Click to view Cool.DK's User Profile Talk to Cool.DK in the Shout! Box Apr 09, 2009 - 10:02 am
» I don't care for Windows 7
Only thing interesting coming is DX11.

Apart from gaming I am more than happy with OS X as it is everything Windows should be.

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Click to view Labotomizer's User Page Labotomizer (989)  Click to view Labotomizer's User Profile Talk to Labotomizer in the Shout! Box Apr 09, 2009 - 02:12 pm
Proprietary and insecure? I'll pass.

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Click to view Yoshi's User Page Yoshi (2226)  Click to view Yoshi's User Profile Talk to Yoshi in the Shout! Box Apr 08, 2009 - 11:23 am | Edited on Apr 08, 2009 - 11:24 am
The XP thing seems kind of bad depending on if that is beta or hits retail that way. I can't wait for the XP users to say Windows 7 sucks because they have to buy a $300 full version to use it. Yeah there will probably be something like Vista Home Basic for $199 but in my mind that isn't really an option for most users who will want the full featured version also most users don't know about OEM copies.

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Click to view Labotomizer's User Page Labotomizer (989)  Click to view Labotomizer's User Profile Talk to Labotomizer in the Shout! Box Apr 09, 2009 - 08:50 am
It doesn't mean you can't buy and use an upgrade copy, you can. You just can't actually upgrade XP. If you ask me this is a very smart move on Microsoft's part. Yes, in a perfect world we'd be able to upgrade and everything would be happy. But with the architecture changes an XP to 7 upgrade would leave so many issues behind that it would more likely be a disaster for most people.

People who aren't comfortable with a fresh load should wait to buy a new PC. It does do a good job of installing though and it makes a nice little "Windows.Old" folder with your program files, Windows and Docs&Settings directories in it.

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Click to view DKBK's User Page DKBK (84)  Talk to DKBK in the Shout! Box Apr 08, 2009 - 08:09 pm
As I understand it, you can do a clean install with an upgrade license but the installer will prompt you for your older version's key and (I think) CD.

That's how it used to be anyway. Haven't upgraded in a while with OEM versions.

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Click to view Yoshi's User Page Yoshi (2226)  Talk to Yoshi in the Shout! Box Apr 08, 2009 - 11:44 pm
That will be nice for people who will not understand a fresh install will toast the installed programs and other stuff.

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