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deimos47 (435)    Apr 28, 2009 - 12:12 pm

Unless I misread something, the 4770 already is 40nm and GDDR5. If they change the 4830, it wont be 4830 anymore. Although both GF9xx/GTS250 and HD4xx are in same performance ballpark, costs are another story. ATI started at 55nm with small chips and 40nm just makes it so much cheaper, not to mention cheap 128bit PCB thanks to GDDR5. I'm sure nVidia wishes they had something more than just 1GB version of their Nov07 chips - their marketing renaming is a mockery of consumer iteliggence. » Login to reply to this  SiliconDoc (12)   May 10, 2009 - 01:43 am | Edited on May 10, 2009 - 01:49 am » LOL On the other hand, if you're not filled with sourpuss whining consumerism of the lowest variety, in between the cries and howls of Nvidia not making money on their "too big GT200 cores" while ATI has been losing billions a year steadily, making iterrations it can't afford on "efficient" little squares of silicon, cranked full of electricty and electromigration, you might view it another way. Like this way: Nvidia's two year old core competes with ATI top core, the RV770, UNLESS ati jams ddr5 on it - boosting it past that old Nov 07 core that has been whined about so often, everywhere. Add in the cries and piteous howls about "rebranding", where we have for instance in shaders, 64,92,112,128 for starters, bit width of 64,128,192,256 and 384, 448, even 512, memory of ddr2 or ddr3, memory size varying from 128,256,512,and 1024, and SUDDENLY "rebranding" comes into perspective - a highly configurable, multi tiered capable CORE, and a company THAT CAN HANDLE MAKING THE CHANGES OFTEN, WITH at least 13 sorted variables of multiplicity. I guess the truth REALLY IS - ATI cannot handle making changes, because they cannot afford it, and are losing money anyway, and have been for SEVERAL YEARS while nvidia made profits. Nonetheless, the 4870,4850, and 4830 are all the same core, 512 and 1024 versions of each, 6 different combinations of REBRANDING, no different than nvidia whatsoever - ATI also CRIPPLES their core to change it... Sorry charlies, the big fat lie and facepalm is on YOU ! You've been sold a line for so long, you never thought beyond your angry little hatred of superiority and fanboyistic spewing. NOPE - you're not correct - ATI does the very same thing - only can't do it as much, because they're losing billions, and ANY CHANGE costs money - redoing memory, chopping up the core shaders, changing the memory size or bit width, and new art for the boxing and drivers for the new iterration... ATI is a LOSING COMPANY and has to squeak by in the red with LESS - fewer models, fewer choices, you're not one of a kind or interesting and diverse, you're a hammered conehead of near singular cloning, a stilfed, controlled ati zombie, "mmmm meps! meps ! !" So much for being different... so much for being unique, being interesting, learning from differences - might as well have a tincup stamping machine for ati, as that is what it is anyhow, and if they were making money, which they are not, and haven't been, we'd see some diversity. Instead, the 2 year old nvidia core competes with ati's latest core all the way to the top, unless you jam DDR5 on the ati. A G80,G92,G92b with DRR5 would be a 4870 or 4890 - this WE KNOW, as the 4850 is the competing level otherwise, which is a 4870 without ddr5. DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. » Login to reply to this  DanTheMathlete (235)   Apr 29, 2009 - 05:37 am Nvidia always does that. idky » Login to reply to this

p4l1ndr0m3 (339)    Apr 28, 2009 - 09:42 am

or the 40nm performance segment will just be that much more awesome and will obliterate the performance of the 4770, thus not letting it have a 48xx name. » Login to reply to this

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p4l1ndr0m3 (339)    Apr 28, 2009 - 04:50 am

cherry picked, maybe, different design, I doubt it... Even this "cherry picked" card didn't have a great overclock because CCC was nerfed in that department. Wait for a 3rd party OC utility to come out before you pass judgment. » Login to reply to this  SiliconDoc (12)   May 10, 2009 - 02:06 am | Edited on May 10, 2009 - 02:11 am » I love reviews like this I love reviews like this because as everyone is focusing on the new 4770 at 40nm, the TRUTH about the 9800, the whined over "crappy two year old core of old tech nvidia" WHOMPS THE 4850 IN ALMOST EVERY SINGLE BENCHMARK OF EVERY SINGLE GAME. Yes, when the red rooster party isn't paying attention, the truth is blaring into their palmed faces, the two year old nvidia core slaps down their RV770 - HA HA HA ! BWAHAHAHAHAHAAA ! I'm certain the red roosters will have some kind of back alley gutter spewing inanities to argue otherwise, twisting every sort of logic ever held up under science or just common sense - to somehow discount that SAD, SAD fact about ati -- " oh, it's the cheaper, smaller silicon core, that ati can make so much more profit off of - and on and on (ATI is losing billions) "... THAT NASTY, CRAPPY, REBRANDED NVIDIA CORE SPANKED THE CRAP OUT OF THE 4850 - THE 4850 DOES NOT EVEN BEGIN TO COMPETE WITH THE GT200 ! The red roosters love to compare a whole level ABOVE their cards capability and even claim a win ... bigger spinmeisters than our politicians... Well, just check the "4770" charts and see - sorry there red roosters.... the 4850 is UNDER that nvidia core you hate so much... proving ati cores are YEARS BEHIND, too, and still years behind the GT200. Oh well... they are teensy tiny, burning up, crammed full of electricity, overheating ,electromigrating, strained to the max ati cores, too, to just keep up. Better take the easy way out and slam some DDR5 on em and hope nvidia doesn't... (oh ! that already happened) Thanks for proving the awesomeness of the 9800 when the red roosters weren't paying attention ! It SPANKS ati two years after it was made. Thank you thank you thank you ! » Login to reply to this

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