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FPS Gawd at 05:17pm 06/13/2003
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The Asus A7S333 is infamous for its problematic nature, a fault
apparently shared by the ASROCK (Asus budget spin-off company made
to compete with ECS) 746FX
boards.
The MSI 745 ULTRA was really a fantastic board for buget
overclockers, especially for the money (<$70 on intro!), as was
the Leadtek 735 board.
I will personally either purchase an IWill or an MSI 748 board,
given the crappiness of my ECS L7S7A 746FX board and the ASROCK
746FX board.
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bleat at 08:37pm 06/10/2003
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Maybe its the 8500 that's tempermental, maybe it's that specific
mobo with the 8500.. maybe.. maybe .. maybe.. There's about 21
reasons it could be having issues, few of which would be SiS
specifically related... Check the Rage3D forums and see if you can
find anyone else having issues with 8500+745.
Your best bet would be to just get something else most likely so you
won't have any pre-disposition to blame everything you find wrong on
the SiS chipset. :)
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LORD ORION at 05:34am 06/10/2003
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I guess... but that still won't make me buy a SIS chipset for my
next mobo. :)
Besides, it's just the 8500 that has the problem, the 9500 pro in my
main system work fine in it.
I guess I could search around and see if someone I know has a 745
board that is not from Asus. Then we would know for sure if SIS is
just crap, or if ASUS make a crap board. ;)
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Anonymous at 09:47pm 06/9/2003
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Ahhh... the Asus AS7333 (actually A7S333) - that explains a lot.
Everybody produces a less-than-optimal board every now an then and
the A7S333 is one of Asus'. I know - I almost bought one until I
read user reviews of it. I went with a 745 Ultra that's now running
at 190MHz FSB and AGP 4X with a Radeon 9700 as I type and it's
utterly stable.
The moral of the story is don't automatically blame the chipset if
the board's a dog.
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bleat at 07:19pm 06/9/2003
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I was just rambling on what appeared to be an all out assault on
minimal performance differences in the cases where a large
percentage would have actually mattered. :)
I suppose others care greatly about on-chip SATA, i could care less.
Seeing how they have probably the best IDE implementation it's not
really a big deal. SATA drives aren't worth the premium at the
moment.
You are correct though.. If they can price this sucker around where
the 735 was I think it will be a big seller. I'll get one..
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LORD ORION at 11:55pm 06/8/2003
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I think the real reason is SIS has a branding problem...
Be it from past perceptions, current incompatabilities and the fact
that most value boards use SiS chipsets so consumers think they are
the cheap solution.
I actually went with the SiS 745 chipset based on the 735 articles
here and at Tom's. Heh, when my next mobo is not a SIS, the
marketing speak will make little difference since I now perceive
them as a problematic choice.
They need to get it right, and get it right for 2-3 generations of
products while receving rave reviews.
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GX-Brandon at 04:35pm 06/8/2003
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Actually SiS748 silicon is final, and as we’ve seen in the past with
previous SiS reference boards, performance transfers pretty well
over to retail products. I really think the limitations I mentioned
over the course of the preview will ultimately hurt SiS748 more than
performance. You and I both know that SiS is preferable to VIA among
consumers, but unfortunately, to mobo manufacturers VIA is the
dominant solution. With SiS’ feature shortcomings I have a hard time
believing it will win favor over KT600, especially based on the
KT600 mobos announced so far. KT600 offers so much more than SiS748,
which is why you see so many motherboard manufacturers adopting it.
I wasn’t able to read your entire comment unfortunately, but I do
hope that I’m proven wrong. You probably know that we were the
biggest supporters of SiS735 with the web’s first preview and all,
but ultimately SiS735 didn’t gain much favor despite offering
superior price, performance, AND features. SiS can only boast the
price factor in its favor for SiS748, and considering some of the
lengths VIA will go to regain share it has lost I’m not certain if
SiS has a homerun here.
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GX-Brandon at 04:29pm 06/8/2003
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Wow, I'm really surprised that the ASUS+SiS combination isn't
working for you. I just assumed you had a generic motherboard. I
really don't know what else to tell you. Even with the SiS 735
boards I tested with I don't recall running into problems with AGP
4X and Fast Writes enabled.
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Anonymous at 03:17pm 06/8/2003
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I agree that the conculsion is a bit hard on sis the diffrence in
most cases seems to be about 5% between that and the nforce, I bet
that the price diffrence on retail boards will be more than 5%.
On Via chipsets, Iwould not say I would never use them again but I
wouldn't while there was a credible value alternative around ( ie
ATM sis 746FX) Have you seen the reccomended specs for the matrox rt
x10 and x100. No via chipsets!!!
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bleat at 02:14pm 06/8/2003
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Ok.. i just read this again since I was browsing around at upgrade
options.. I have some bones to pick with this preview..
"Right now you’re probably disappointed with the SiS748 chipset
if you’re a hardware enthusiast. Performance is a little slower with
the nForce2 Ultra 400 in single-channel mode, suggesting that it
won’t be able to keep pace with NVIDIA’s nForce2 400 chipset.
Likewise, the 2GB memory limitation with 2 DIMM sockets maximum
really puts a crimp on your memory expansion options."
Who the !@%! uses more than 2G? I'm running on 512M, and i'm pretty
sure you'd be hard pressed to find anyone running over 1G, and
actually using it for anything worthwhile..
And the performance was only that drastic of a difference in games
that were getting over 180FPS anyway. When the boards were compared
with something running at 50-90 fps the difference was minimal at
best, if not identical..
Especially given that this is not final hardware, I think Firing
Squad is being WAY too hard on this chipset. They attone for it
somewhat at the end calling it value segment, which is correct. But
lets put this into perspective and analyze your own numbers with
some common sense before taking an all out assault on it's
performance..
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