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Posted by Alan Dang on Tuesday October 25, 2005 - 08:17 AM

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» ATI AVIVO/Video Quality & Features Interview

ATI's Director of Marketing for Multimedia Products, Godfrey Cheng, offers to do an interview with FiringSquad. We sent in Alan. If only ATI knew what they were getting into...

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#17 Author: Anonymous at 12:31pm 11/17/2005  
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One simple question that would make a difference in the real world
is whether this technology would speed up all the waiting around
watching premier render when amateurs are making home movies (eye
eye nudge nudge). Couldn't really give a toss if it means I can get
zapped again and again in Doom at 100fps rather than 97.

 
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#15 Author: GX-Alan at 03:05pm 10/27/2005  
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Depends what you call true HD sources. TV shows like Lost and The
OC are recorded at 720p from the very beginning. While they may not
have the quality of a top-end master tape, you're getting as high
quality as can be expected from off-the-air broadcasts.

 
#14 Author: GonePostal at 12:54pm 10/27/2005  
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In that respect I do agree with you that HD sources for the time
being need post processing due to the limited availibility of true
HD sources.

 
#13 Author: GX-Alan at 11:08pm 10/26/2005  
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I agree 100% with what you're saying. It ultimately boils down to
quantization error and boils down to bad source. All of the
"before" images are the RAW MPEG-2 data from the DVD or
from the ATSC stream. The noise wasn't in the original masters --
only after the MPEG-2 compression stage. Broadcasters like ABC and
FOX (at least in San Francisco) don't have high enough bandwidth for
their 720p signals to avoid noise.


As long as you continue to have bad MPEG-2 encoders and broadcasters
choosing to multicast to increase advertising sales, there is a role
for noise reduction.

 
#12 Author: GX-Alan at 11:05pm 10/26/2005  
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That's a good question that I should have asked.

1) Because ATI doesn't promote playback of .ts files, I am very
confident in saying that the X1800 doesn't. One thing ATI didn't
answer was whether or not the X1800 even did a full spatial-temporal
deinterlace for HD content.


2) To date, the only HD transport file from Zoom Player/Windows
Media Player is PureVideo. The PureVideo drivers are iffy in that
beta drivers often break. This is particularly true with my Quadro
and PureVideo. Some drivers will cause my system to reboot
spontaneously. If you still have your 6600GT though, I would try
the latest drivers with the latest Forceware sicne they seem to work
well. Going back to the MCE edition drivers with the latest
ForceWare is also good. The intermediate beta drivers were buggy.

 
#11 Author: Anonymous at 04:34pm 10/26/2005  
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Dang it. Yet another interview with Godfrey Cheng that completely
avoids discussing exactly what video software comes with an X1K
series card. (And don't bother trying to find such info on their
insanely bad website.)


Does MMC come with an X1K? Does a decoder come with it that will
play HD transport streams in third party players?


The minute I find out I can play HD files recorded with a Dvico HDTV
tuner, I'll place an order. (Nvidia Purevideo/6600GT is useless as
it hangs my system a few seconds into playing an HD stream.)


Why are these articles obsessed with H.264 instead of formats people
actually have now and can't play?

 
#10 Author: GonePostal at 01:08pm 10/26/2005  
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I have seen the pictures that you have posted in that article. I
still am not convinced. Where exactly is this noise being added.
There is noise from the digitization of the content (quantization
error). As long as there is no post processing
(upscaling/downscaling/interpolation) the image you have in the
frame buffer should be EXACTLY what was encoded.


As I see it video/images benifit from post processing (noise
reduction) because the source you use is sub-par. I myself have
never done digital video quality analysis but I have done it on HD
analog component.

 
#8 Author: GonePostal at 10:48pm 10/25/2005  
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I still don't see a good explaination on why HD sources need noise
reduction.

 
#7 Author: ender at 06:39pm 10/25/2005  
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Very interesting interview. Thanks FS for doing it and asking the
good questions. At least he answered a few of them.


I have a followup question related to a sentence in the last
paragraph: "Avivo is designed to work in the MCE and VIIV
environments."


Will all of these features be available to the regular, standard
Windows and hardware environments (PLEASE!)? I don't want to have
to upgrade (especially) my OS environment again just to have these
features. I already am "upgrading" from Win2k to WinXP so
I can use the HDTV Wonder I bought. Forced OS upgrades are a pain
in the a$$, costly (update all those utilities!), and
time-consuming. Sure, support the new features of MCE and VIIV, but
please don't make that support exclusive.

 
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