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» US Healthcare reform debacle in the making?

I believe that this could be the one issue that will finally demonstrate if our elected leaders are intelligent, thoughtful people who are looking out for the interest of the American people, or a money grubbing bunch of crooks who's only interest is power and wealth.

Obama is smart. He's outlined what he wants, and given congress the tiller. If they succeed in solving the problem, he'll be a hero. If they steer us into the rocks, then he can veto the legislation and tell them to start over. Assuming he's willing to veto the legislation.

Unfortunately my faith in Obama has softened as I see him caving to the special interest groups that dominate the DC landscape. He's already caved to big Pharma, which is spending upward of US$200,000,000 fighting health care reform. Of course I don't blame them. The Canadians get their prescription drugs for a fraction of the price we Americans pay, and congress passed legislation years ago to make it illegal for us to buy from Canadian pharmacies. This industry uses it's status as the developer of life saving medicines to stick it to the American public and then uses that money to buy legislation to protect their profits.

Insurance companies are no better. Some estimates show that doctors overhead is increased by some 30% just to manage the insurance company paperwork. My insurer, Blue Cross of California, contributed over $3,000,000 to political campaigns in 2008. I can hardly imagine what they are spending during this political debate to protect their bottom line. But I do know that on July 1st my premium increased 25% for the sixth year in a row. In pre-tax dollars, my medical insurance now cost me almost $20,000 per year. No wonder there are 50 million Americans without health care. They may claim to be not-for-profit, but a quick look at wealth of their executives should dispel any myth about where the money is really going.

These insurance companies think that they help the American population, when in fact they are a bane to our society and need to be dismantled.

But the real question remains, will Obama fix our health care system, or will he ultimately crumble to the pressure by our military.... I mean medical infrastructure.

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Click to view Mahram's User Page Mahram (113)  Talk to Mahram in the Shout! Box Oct 20, 2009 - 09:17 am
Think what a great health care system we'd have if it were allowed to flourish like the computer industry instead of being bogged down by endless regulations and meaningless laws.

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Click to view poohbear78's User Page poohbear78 (26)  Click to view poohbear78's User Profile Talk to poohbear78 in the Shout! Box Sep 04, 2009 - 10:51 pm
» in canada
well, in canada healthcare is universal but it sure as hell is'nt "free" as some people imply. we pay for it through the nose in taxes, not that i mind since i know if i ever get a life threatening disease im covered. it doesnt matter if its cancer, aids, or Gonorahea, going to the doctor is covered and the required treatments are also covered albeit drugs are NOT covered. But from what im reading they're much cheaper than the USA. I'm not sure how that works w/ cancer since there are so many drugs u need, but if its life threatening the fees might be waived. I never understood how the richest country in the world can actually let one of its citizens die if they dont have the money (read insurance) to pay for treatment. I honestly didnt believe it the first 10x i heard that but finally believed it after reading about real life cases where it happened. insane.

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Click to view deimos47's User Page deimos47 (434)  Click to view deimos47's User Profile Talk to deimos47 in the Shout! Box Sep 26, 2009 - 02:37 am
owh, how young and naive.

In Canada, they need to keep the workforce complacent and healthy to prevent escape to US for higher wages.

In USA, if you're sick or dying, they'll just replace you with another number - er, 'person'. Millions of deperate souls to choose from. And if they give you any lip, outsource to China or India.

And all this started cause some white dudes brought in natives from Golden Colonies to pick cotton rather than do it themselves.

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Click to view GatoRat's User PageI am an AMD Agent GatoRat (7)  Talk to GatoRat in the Shout! Box I am an AMD Agent Aug 28, 2009 - 06:35 pm | Edited on Aug 28, 2009 - 06:37 pm
Putting aside the argument of whether what kind of health care we want in the US, why do proponents of any government health care plan fool themselves into thinking that the government will reduce costs while increasing benefits. Not only is that simply impossible, based on history, its absolutely absurd.

Look at the cash for clunkers program. A day before the program expired this month only 6% of the "rebates" had been fulfilled. In addition, the administrative budget for this program was $100 million. Think about that for just a second and tell me again how the government running ANYTHING (required or not) is cheaper and more efficient?

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Click to view Trevor311's User Page Trevor311 (169)  Click to view Trevor311's User Profile Talk to Trevor311 in the Shout! Box Sep 03, 2009 - 12:57 pm
The thing is competition, GatoRat. What you have to consider is that your options for health insurance are fairly limited, and the best rates typically come when you work for an organization large enough to ensure that it gets cheaper rates for it's employees.

If you work for a small company, you typically get more expensive choices for health insurance plans. If you work for a company that simply does not provide health insurance options, then you are stuck finding health insurance on your own, and in this situation it gets pretty expensive. To keep it on the more affordable end, you end up getting less coverage for your buck.

What the government seems to want to do, is introduce a government health insurance plan that pools everyone out there together in such a way as to allow government to constructive an affordable insurance plan. Let's face it, insurance is a way for a group of individuals to pool their resources together to protect the group as a whole. Alone, almost none of us can actually afford the cost of healthcare under the extreme circumstances. Together, we can all contribute enough to cover the costs of those that fall under the extreme case, and we all accept the fact that there's a chance that it could happen to ourselves of a member of our family.

It doesn't necessarily have to have better coverage than other providers to be successful. If they do it right, there will be spillover from private insurance provider customers, and this will encourage private insurance providers to be more competitive. The truth of the matter is, there is VERY little competition within the insurance industry right now. Part of the problem is restriction of state boundaries. There's other issues at hand too.

I'm not saying what's on slate right now is necessarily the plan we want or need, but the aim, the goal, is a commendable goal, and a smart goal.


And all those people complaining about packed emergency rooms? You need to remember that part of the problem is that people avoid health care because they lack health insurance, until they can't delay any longer - at which point they often end up in an emergency room. Health care works best when it's preventative, rather than reactive.

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Click to view Squiddy's User PageI am an AMD Agent Squiddy (1167)  Talk to Squiddy in the Shout! Box I am an AMD Agent Aug 24, 2009 - 11:42 pm
The world has gone retarded! Do people actually support the windfall profits of the "health insurance industry" as opposed to health care for all Americans? If so, they are completely and severely mentally retarded.
Link: http://Even in the forums..

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Click to view LORD ORION's User Page LORD ORION (1335)  Click to view LORD ORION's User Profile Talk to LORD ORION in the Shout! Box Aug 18, 2009 - 05:48 pm
Nonody has made a point about litigation.

Malpractic will need to be adjusted if a doctor is on government wages when he is negligent. I am sure this will go over well in the media once it happens a few times.

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